Official Countach Value Thread

By investigating, & being both patient & persistent.

Typically Lamborghini SpA themselves have nothing. The first & second owners of the cars are key and its worth tracking them down. I have found original owners and their families to be very helpful.

 

http://bringatrailer.com/2012/03/28/bat-exclusive-1982-lamborghini-countach-factory-fuel-injection-prototype/

Can anyone help me understand the $340,000 asking price for a modified LP500S? The reason I ask is they are not easy to sell at $150,000, so I'm wondering about the extra almost $200,000?

I'm also wondering what first-time buyers or potential entrants into the Countach market, think about the random pricing that has presented itself in the Countach market of late?

What is this based on?

Perhaps people who have always desired a Countach and are finally able to enter the market will have something to say about all this.

Perhaps Countach owners who wish for a rational healthy market (should they suddenly need to sell their cars) will have 2 cents also.
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Dreamer.

For that price you should get nearly three of them.

 

Dreamer thinking he has found a way to market what from a technical standpoint is the worst Countach variant produced. Those bumpers and exhaust tips are disgusting also.

 

We are all really scratching our collective heads too about so many CT coming on the market with display price that are just unreal.

This may be caused by a new virus hitting very recent owners, called the Countechtosteronosis which is an sudden inflamation of the brain due to the recent ownership of a countach coupled with a high level of testosterone . The virus manifests itself by an urge to sell the countach at a swollen valuation.
Pretty nasty stuff and apparently highly contagious.

That particular car is as you know is the Jas "Prototype" and hence commands a "premium" per the seller.
There is an entire thread on this car on another L site. some say it should be put back to the carb. I 'll say no because the car is the test bed for the factory FI.
A reasonable price range was also thrown out there.

I think that what we have here is a market of non-sellers trying to sell their car just in case a whale bites the bait. Nothing to lose and all to gain attitude.
Quite frankly a total turn off. that makes me want to buy an anniv car. At least their are still price in a reasonable fashion.

The bb512 value looks more and more compeling compared to what is going on in the CT world.

 

Exactly what is it that justifies calling the 500s "the worst Countach variant?"

 

Oh don't take any offense at all. Its normal for him to speak in those terms

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=141323188&postcount=66

 

True.

Meanwhile I recently old a phenomenal carb BB512 to a potential/future Countach owner.

 

It is, a fuel injected 2v is right after the 89's and the 88.5's with the snow shovel rockers. lol. There is no worst Countach, maybe more desirable, but no worst.

 

Very detailed analysis, thank you. So you are saying that all 500S are fuel injected and all Countachs are 4v?

 

No, silver car in question is a fuel injected 2v, Qv's are all 4v's, but surely you already know this.

 

So there are no misunderstandings here, are the critisims directed at this particular silver car or all 500s as being the "worst variant?"

 

I think for the sake of staying on topic on this thread, you ought to define "worst" in quantifiable terms, state your supporting values data, and its ranking in Countach values.

For example, perhaps you can clarify for us the pecking order from "best" to "worst" amongst all the variants so that your placement of 89s & 88.5s can be understood as they stand on the values scale.

Best,

 

After 30+ years of obsessively combing classifieds, Trader magazines, the DuPont, eBay, and all manner of dealer websites, I am never surprised to see occasional "WTF" prices on any item with a perceived value.

Shop around for a vintage highline watch, you see the same thing, an actual market peppered with occasional super-unrealistic prices, usually at the end of lengthy hyperbolic descriptions, relating some story of why this watch is more special than the exact same watch being offered for half the money in the next ad.

I've never thought it was anything more than unscrupulous sellers looking for the lotto winner/family fortune heir/lazy buyer.

If we are seeing more of this today, it seems to me that would be due to an enlarged market overall.

 

I wonder how much of the "2v, injected, 5000s is the worst variant" has to do with the large percentage of them that are equipped with the US railroad tie bumpers...

 

Certainly doesn't help.

 

It could just be wishful thinking, hoping to snare a rube.

 

Exactly. I do wonder how often these ridiculous asking prices are actually met... I'd bet it isn't very often.

 

Lol, same goes for model cars! There is one on eBay now listed for about 10x what they usually sell for...

 

During the boom in sci-fi toys and memorabilia in the late-90's/early 2000's you saw it with Star Wars action figures. If something has a desirability and a relatively high value someone will be trying to sell to the suckers.

 

See this is one of those answers when those smart enough can see through your facade and realise that you are simply just another greedy used car salesman. So next time you wanna quote one of my posts, use the one where I said I would never buy or reccomend that anyone buy a car from you...

 

To answer your question, I say this due to the fact that the fuel injection effort was cobbled together by an outside source. It was merely an effort to pass the car into the U.S. until the factory could come together on its own F/I for the U.S.

This variant of the Countach is widely known to be the worst performing Countach produced.. Obviously all Countachs are valuable, and all of them are still a Countach. But if you can buy a Countach QV F/I for 100-120k for a nice car, which is a fully built factory car, that is better performing, has a stronger transmission and many numerous upgrades how much less would you have to pay for a 2valve F/I car in order to justify not stepping up to the Qv.

 

I believe the criticism is two fold.

The first being the most popularly accepted in the Countach community. That the US. FI. converted 2-Valve LP500S is one of the least sought after models, as it has the least amount of HP and was really never intended to be made that way from the factory.

It was indeed created out of a necessity in order to bring the car into the US legally and try to do away with the gray market era of bringing the original carbureted versions into the country.

The second criticism is the seller trying to speculatively over inflate this particular cars value, as it was the first FI variation of the 2-valve Countach that was inspected by the factory and used as a base for future FI conversions.

Is it special? Yes. Is it worth the speculated premium? In many enthusiasts eyes including my own, no way.

Sincerely Vic