430 Scud or 458?

Well said. Mingming also makes some great points. If you want a sports car the Scud is clearly the better car.

If you want to own a car that makes you forget your driving a Ferrari at times buy a 458, if you want to own a car that feels like a Ferrari at all times buy the scud.

 

So many people here claim to know what a real Ferrari is. The funny thing is that I know a lot of people who have driven 10, maybe 20, maybe 30 different models. I never hear them say that. I've driven 11 models from 1964 to 2012, and I never say something like that. As bdelp and many others have said countless times, the best thing about Ferrari is that it has produced so many wonderful cars and you can pick the one that suits you. Why don't you grow up and let others pick THEIR favourite? It doesn't make your choice any less.

This is not about what is BEST. It is what is best FOR YOU.

There is a reason I own 4 different models. It depends what mood I am in.


Onno

 

It depends. If you want a raw track car that you can feel every little bump in go with the scud. But you said you already have a gt3 rs and a black series and those are two great track cars. If i was in your position i would take the 458. Its fast as hell and around turns it feels like the car is on rails and same with the scud, But the 458 is just a lot more comfortable and smooth while throwing it around turns. They are both great cars so either car you take you won't regret.


Good Luck and enjoy your future F car

 

Mingming458, you are missing the point made by Bdelp. Which i think is a very good point.

458 is a successor of 430 not Scuderia, in that Ferrari have done a fantastic job. They basically moved the game out in a different realm. We need to stop comparing Scuderia to 458, the 458 scud/challenge or whatever lightweight version will be the true test of Ferrari tech.

Ferrari cannot make money by making only track focused lightweight cars , more models , more customers , more revenue. Nothing wrong with it! Its great to have this model diversity to choose from. 458 Italia takes care of all Lambos and Audi's other GT cars ....Scud version takes care of all SV , Gt3 and other lightweight competitors.

Also complaining about pricing is useless , even when Ferrari priced Italia at 300k there are people buying them and wait lists everywhere...so the market exists ..why not profit from it ?

 

Drool....

Precisely what I think of when I hear Ferrari.

 

Thanks for this....this really puts things in perspective for me. How long did you drive the scud and how uncomfortable did it feel?

 

+1. I think for most of us, that's what this discussion is all about. What's best in everyone's opinion for themselves...which can be very helpful for others trying to make a decision on which model to get. Choosing one model does not lessen how great the other model Fcar is at all in my mind.

 

I think people are forgetting what the OP was asking, if OP was asking what is softer and more refined most would agree the 458.

I don't think anyone needs to take offense, if someone is pointing out the Scud as the better choice over the 458 in regards to what the OP is asking, we as F-chat members would be in the wrong to suggest the wrong car for the OP who is asking a valid question and looking for advice before pulling the trigger.

ME, MYSELF & I prefer the fact I have 1 F-car instead of 4 which handles all the roles I need, the 16m gives me the best of everything in one handy go to car, which I love. The scud/16m does all the above great, a daily driver when needed ( people crying for lack of carpet is comical) a fun open top, or weekend warrior, or head to dinner with the lady, it does it all and does it with style/comfort & performance all in one.

Is this saying the 458 is not a nice car?? Certainly not just not the first Ferrari one should consider if they want to spend time at the track.
I am sure we can all agree, along with many 458 users who have posted similar remarks.

 

I drove the only scuderia for sale in chicago at lake forest. The car has 1000 miles and i put at least 10 miles. All spirited driving! Same distance with italia at a different dealer. I have the say that the 458 felt faster overall but the scud felt very alive all the time.

In terms of comfort I personally don't care and can live with it. I had gt3 before my current 430. 458 felt very soft and complaint on all road surfaces. Scud was bearable IMO. The sensation of the car overshadows any shortfalls of amenities or comfort. Just depends on how much thrill you want.

 

Drive a scud full blast and you,ll see the different between the scud and 458

 

Good point for bringing his post back up. I re-read it. I can't find anything in his question that says anything about what kind of car he is looking for, other than that he says "I won't likely track the car much".

So what car he should buy, in my opinion, he should find out for himself by driving both.


Onno

 

You nail that one real good, Scud is a Ferrari , the looks and the sound and the Raw look to it a amazing machine

 

Why are is everyone cutting the scud down in value, there a 300k car and selling 160k 458 400k don,t understand

 

Here is the ULTIMATE IRONY of Fchat

HALF of the people here complain and moan that 6 speed manuals started going away big time with the F430 and completely away with the Enzo's, CS's, Scuds, and 458's

and the other half....

complain that they don't have the latest technology.

What does it prove? That there is no one "ideal" solution to any car. The only REAL proof if a car is successful is if people want it and enjoy it after they buy it.

The idea that somehow Ferrari must make one single car that does "everything well" is not only ridiculous, its counter productive.

Show me a car that does "everything well" and I'll show you a very boring Toyota.

 

Because the Scud is not a better car for a lot of people. It's a different car for a limited market. It always was. I'm not sure why people can't understand this.

Lots of people prefer their F430's to the Scud. Are they crazy too?

 

The ironic part of this thread, many 458 users in this thread have just blurted out the 458 is a better car, miles better? without any fundamentals aside from emotions and fanboy/homer-ism, so scud owners(even 458 owners) come on here with facts and fundamentals why they feel a Scud is the better car and so many 458 users get their panties in a knot? So weird.

So my question for the 458 fanboys, whats the difference, why can you give your 2 cents and express the 458 is better but we Scud owners can't do the same?

Ok to wrap this up, the Scud offers more excitement in the sense of true sports car driving thru the road feel and handling of the car, the 458 offers more luxury and smooth driving.

Pick your poison both great cars. I am bias but I still take the Scud over 458 for many of the same reasons that have been mentioned in this thread.

 

Honestly, this is getting a bit insulting. The only ones with their panties in a knot are the Scud people who think that 458 buyers are stupid for liking what they like.

I have driven both. I don't like the Scud. Sue me.

This is the same silly argument people had when the F430 came out and people wondered why anyone would want one instead of a CS.

Guess what: Most people wanted the F430 and still do today.

Sue them too.

It's apples and oranges. Saying one is better than the other is like saying my wife and kids are better than yours. The proper response would be "well, that's YOUR opinion!"

 

Hey Bdelp slow down, go read some of your past remarks in this thread, Maybe Practice what YOU Preach. I said a few times IMO.


P.s my dad is stronger than your dad

Bdelp it's all good man, no hard feelings both cars are great. As long as you rocking a horse you good in my books. Enjoy

 

Hey don't give misleading facts even some 458 buyers in this thread feel/say people stupid for buying a 458 over a Scud

 

I've never called Scud owners "fanboys" or whatever. I've said there's a reason for both of these cars because they appeal to different types of owners and what drivers want out of a car. I've never said anything wrong about the Scud, it's purpose, or the people who like them.

I said I don't care for it.

Here's the problem.

The people who just love the rough and tumble "give me a race car for the streets" say the guys who want a daily driver are somehow "not macho" or "soft" and while the people who say some like the racier track cars say "go have your fun. It's not for me."

The proof is in the pudding. There's a reason why Scuds are priced what they are and 458's are priced where they are. The market is not stupid. The market is always correct.

 

Bah. its all shades of gray. 458 owners would never give props to a GT-R because it isn't raw or emotional enough. same argument, differnent side of the fence.

 

Boys, you pays your monies and you takes your choice... Nice to have a choice.

Scud doesn't work for me as speed bumps and speed dips are a big problem for me. And I have tracked my car but pretty much got it out of my system.

 

Great advice...I'm going to sort that out with my local dealer as soon as I can arrange it. I'm really excited to drive the scud!

 

Hi, Yes I agree with poster who say 458 is more GT car. This is probably the most truth. 458 is a great GT car, I think today sports car is different define then what was past. Even I look at 991 porsche, ok nice car but where is real race engine like GT1 motor and 991 GT3 will now be more of a GT car I think too.

OP I think asking wrong question. If OP want realistic car then 458 all the way, if OP want more crazy crazy then only Scuderia. 458 has great looks, lots of on demand power. But this car is not going to last under alot of bonzai heavy driving. I guess with 99% of Ferrari customer this is ok, since will never even see 200km/h lol.

BTW, 458 only faster then Scuderia in straight line... no way on outright curves or race track. Scuderia from Ferrari have bad alignment and need better tires, and then it is sooo good. I hope 458 version can be the same. I am worry about Italy now...... you read Volkswagen now buy Ducati? I dont know what happen here guys.......

OP for 180K in USA you buy clean Scuderia and can buy 100k beach condo over in florida now or maybe in las vegas north vegas 100k buy 3-4 property, Or all together 1 458 italia. Man see this my problem, 458 not deliver some good values today. I dont know guys, today I come back 320km/h on highway malaysia feel some better with my 458. I read more about brakes, But I think I wait for 458 Scuderia. Man I am now feel better. Thnx

 

My friend hehe, you know this say in USA. "Latest is greatest" In Italy now you can buy 458 for USD 180-200K and Scuderia is still same price. Same in France and I think so now even in Switzerland. So yes market is always correct. Right now even in USA market there is less Scuderia for sale, but LOT of 458 sitting around....

Ok daily drive Ferrari. I guess so is good, but where you daily drive this? US grid roads where traffic during day is stop go stop go and highway speed limit is 60mph . Even 458 engine from rear mount not like to sit all day in slow drive environment. As I said bdhelp, yes 458 is good car for trophy and show off. Can park in restaurant with nice blonde, open door and see her leg come out, then people and valet go crazy....... I agree with this 100%.