I am posting this so people can be aware and perhaps be careful. I went to my normal Ford dealer. I still own two cars that I bought new from them, A 2005 Ford GT and a 2012, 550 hp Shelby Cobra Mustang. The quote I got for the 650 hp Mustang was $65K over MSRP list. I did not bite but I went to a different Ford dealer and was told me they would sell the car for $25k over MSRP. As I was thinking about that I told my driend who does not own the amount or type of cars I do, but is a very smart man. He buys fixes and sells house for fun. He does not need to work anymore just his hobby. He went and got a guote of $1.9k over list at the same dealership. My freind asked and recieved a copy of the quote I am still amazed at the wide difference depending on what they think you can aford. buyer beware comes to mind Lee
the 2012 mustang says shelby on the back, SVT inside and has Cobra emblems on both sides of the front fenders. Agreed it is a Ford Shelby not a Las Vegas NV Shelby. I didn't say it was. Come to think about it not sure it is called a MUSTANG Cobra I just assumed because of the Cobra emblems. FYI I looked into a vegas Shelby. At the time it was 800 hp and called a Super Snake. Also I drove but did not buy the 2004 you post. It was a great and fast car. Also I traded in a 510 hp Roush P51A for the 1012 Mustang whatever it is called I am going by my car storage area tomorrow to pick something else up to drive. If you like I can take pictures or better yet go to a Ford dealer althought they may not have one. Lee
Lee, are the cars in demand enough to justify the premium? ...when i bought my SRT they tried the same thing, so i played 2 dealers off each other, and got price right down as a result
While I understand the premium on the car, that's a little excessive. Actually a lot. Hate to say it Lee, but knowing that everyone there knows the cars you have, and are looking to pad their pockets. Doubling the price on the car is absurd, especially a non collector car. Hope you find one at a good price Lee, looks to be an amazing car.
Lee, always be mindful of the target on your forehead by slimy dealerships... no matter what your history with them is. Also, don't be afraid to look out of state for one. The 2013 isn't a limited car; and next years production will be somewhere north of 10,000; with this year being maybe 4,500-5,500.
I am really surprised that someone would quote such a stupid price $65K over list on a $50k car which more likely sell under that at some point. I think they will be hard to find the first year then become easier and less expensive as times goes on. I will hold and do nothing on this for now. The post that said 'TARGET" on your head was spot on! Thanks to all for the incites from your posts. Thanks to all Lee
They must think it is. maybe a little premium the first few cars. As I said in my OP statement my buddy got offered the same car for $1.9k over the next day where my quote that was $65.0k over. Just unbelievable in a bad way. But people would consider it business and say "so get over it". I tend to agree with that but must say I will have problems dealing with that dealership. Congrats on your SRT they are great cars Lee
A premium for a popular car is understandable. Even the raptors were getting a little extra at first. But that is absurd. I'm sure you paid a little extra for the GT, as you bought it new. But that was a limited run car, and not just a hopped up mustang. Plus, I bet more Shelby's will be made in the first year than all the GT's combined. Knowing some of the sales people, I can say its sad that they think just cause someone's got some nice cars they will buy no matter what. I say try some other dealers, show up in something comfy and work them You could always have your wife or a friend buy the car from the first dealer at a very small premium Lee... Then show up to pick it up.
Troy I have done that with my freind and got a written quote for $63k less than my quote on the same car. This was the next day! I could do what you suggest, but the whole mess still bothers me. It bothers me in the way I do not want to deal with the two dealers at all. I may use these dealers to look at the cars, offer a fair price then find a dealer elsewhere. Or maybe just focus on imports. Ferrari offered me the 725 hp car that is coming out soon. That would be a blast to drive. As a side note my ZR1 vette is a much better car in power, handling and features then my 458 Ferrari. The exterior design and exhaust note of the ferrari wins hands down over vette. But that may change with the 2014 model. I saw a Road and track rendition of the new vette and it was stunning. My point is it is becoming difficult to automatically ignore the domestic offerings because they are becoming competitive. Oh well at the very least I am sour on Fords for awhile Thanks for letting me vent Lee
Just mod your Shelby and have more than the new! It's aggravatiing dealing with people like that I know. A lot of why I left. The bright side is you have your cars and family. Live and enjoy and forget those not worthy of your time.
Go over to svtperformance.com. There are alot of folks there who are buying at msrp, and some that are even getting under. There is never a reason to pay over msrp. Don't be mad at Ford, be mad at the dealerships. Due to franchise laws, Ford has no say in what a dealership tries to steal from a buyer. It shouldn't matter if you have money, or if you live in a refrigerator box, everybody should get the same price. When the 2012 Boss 302 came out, alot of dealers were charging over, and massively over for the LS. Our small local Ford dealer sold both of their allocations under MSRP........... even the Laguna Seca. Good dealers with integrity are out there.
Gloria great advice, perfectly stated and you are right about the dealers versus Ford Motor car Co. I forgot about the dealer relationship. I ran into this when I bought a Challenger RT. I could not get from the dealer the Pac 10 items that are supposed to come with the car. Chrylser to your point could not help me. They suggested and I did go to another dealer when I bought my SRT. Thank you for your post Lee
The Boss on Leno (video. 12:41): http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/2013-ford-mustang-boss-302-shelby-gt500/1402301 From the civilian sae.org piece on the plasma coating that replaces cylinder liners in this powerful engine: http://www.sae.org/mags/aei/7624 The company: http://www.flamesprayusa.com/index.php?gclid=CMPclqjElLACFcdlOgod9y3L1Q The SAE paper on this process's frictional properties (There's a substantial fee for non-members. Any major library will offer access, though): http://papers.sae.org/1999-01-1220
The Shelby GT500 is actually rated at 662 horsepower. Also your dealer may have a real low allocation so he is trying to really rip people off selling this one. In any case It is not appreciated, especially how your friend got a significant lower quote.
Lee you really should tell the dealer about your experience and explain thats why you wont buy from them any longer and you be telling your friends the story.
During 1990, I purchased a regular Corvette. At the time, I wanted a new ZR-1. None could be found in or around 60K - MSRP. I remember an ad in the NY Times, for 132K. Today, how much is the cost, for an as-new 1990 ZR-1, with less than 10,000 miles ? Wait, and this car will be found for MSRP or less.
This link shows 609 wheel hp, and I've read that it was the lowest of the ones tested with the high coming in at 624 wheel hp: http://www.torquenews.com/1084/2013-shelby-gt500-shows-more-power-after-dyno-test-video
I like the idea you suggest. My only concern is I may hurt the dealerships business and alot of good hard working people who had nothing to do with this mess may get hurt in a tought job market. I did something close to what you suggested only alittle more targeted toward the salesman. when I went back with my dreind and he got a $63k lower price for the same car the next day I walked us over a few desks while talking to the honest salesman, So the high priced idiot could see me and I made sure he saw the new much lower price price. Then I turned to the dishonest or better said oportunistic salesman and said " you know you just ruined your reputation as a fair car salesman. My freind and I will be sure everyone knows the facts of our breif encounter. Made me happy Thanks to all for thier supportive comments Lee
Hate to say it Lee, but if the dealer in question is the one I think it is, you won't really get anywhere. Watching that place change over the past few years was eye opening. It's a store that thinks of nothing but the bottom line now. Profit is perfectly acceptable. Greed is when things get bad. I'm sure you will find you the car you want with the options at a decent price. Until then, I think you could get by with what you got to drive. Best of luck with the search. Isn't that half the fun?
Thanks Lee. I actually sold the LS for our local dealership. The gentleman lived in SC, and was having it remotely delivered to a dealership local to him. The good dealerships deserve to make the bucks. Our local shop may not be fancy, but most of the people there have been there for 5-15 years, and they will treat you right. On the other hand, greedy dealerships who determine the price of the new car on the vehicle you drove in in................... deserve to be called out. I would complain to the GM of the dealership about your treatment by said greedy salesman. You could save someone else the pain. Sorry, but stories like that just really annoy me................ and I don't have any affiliation with any dealership. LOL
Troy sob I guess I can But I will get one someplace at some time. One of my car buddies said something funny to me. he said " if I was you I would go back into your car storage area and look around. You may find one back in a dark corner that you forgot about and didn't know you had . Your are right about the dealership you suspect. iT WAS THAT VERY ONE Lee
Just an FYI, but a customer owned '13 GT500 just pulled 601hp and 584tq on the same Livernois dyno that ran an auto ZL1 at 476hp. Car has 95 miles on it, and conditions at the time of the run are plain ol hot. LOL
I have been happy with the experience at most dealerships. I just bought a SRT locally and they were great, fair and good people. The car buying experience was enjoyable and professional as it should be. The experience I started this thread was an example of a sad and slighly seedy dealer experience. It is just a reminder that we should all be careful and know what car we are interested in and what they are worth. I know it is a business for the car dealership but it goes both ways. enough said Lee
Hey guys, I am a sales person at a Franchised Ford and Lincoln dealership in Kansas. We currently have a 2013 Boss 302 and have an allocation for a GT500 scheduled for build in June. In my dealings with potential customers and our management team, the reality is simply based on supply and demand. Example in point - one of our Fchatter's responded to a posting and asked if the allocation was still available, and modifiable, for our 2013 GT500 and it was. So, the question posed was if it would be over MSRP, 'yes'. In speaking with management, their cumulative experience was that the cars will be selling on eBay for about $10,000 over sticker (which is the case thus far). When I asked them that I wanted to price one, they said that they would be willing to do $5,000 over, but no less. The Fchat proposed buyer then contacted many other dealerships in hopes of seeing what they were willing to do. It is my understanding that 'some' were willing to work a deal at $2500 over MSRP, still a few mentioned $1,000 over. So, what is my point? I am hoping to speak with the Fchatter again, but he was not quite convinced that the dealers willing to do $1,000 over actually had an allocation. So, some ethical dealers understand the market and do price over MSRP for unique units. Still some other dealers are unethical, but willing to cut a deal at any cost possible. In my experience, I treat everyone as they wish to be treated. The dealership I represent aslo attempts to earn business the right way everytime! Be grateful that we have, mostly, a capitalist society that still allows a free market. Good people won't gouge a prospective buyer, neither will a business minded dealership earn less on a vehicle than what free market allows. Thanks for the opportunity to share my $.02.
