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Low idle at startup

Discussion in '360/430' started by waterboy222, Jun 5, 2012.

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  1. waterboy222

    waterboy222 Karting

    Dec 29, 2009
    54
    Grand Lake, OK
    The last three times I have started my 360, it has stumbled at start up and had very low idle for a couple seconds before revving up to its normal higher idle. It sounds almost as if its running on two cylinders then kicks on the other 6. This all happens in a matter of about 3 seconds then it runs fine and sounds just like it usually does.

    I'm not getting any codes, seeing any smoke or vibration anywhere. The only thing that is different is that I drove it in the rain for about a half hour after the Boardwalk Ferrari/Lambo meet and greet thing last week. I was on the turnpike when the storm built up, there was no way around it. It rained its ASS off too..

    Any ideas or am I just worrying too much?
     
  2. Jeffg11

    Jeffg11 Formula Junior
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    May 31, 2004
    564
    Michigan
    Full Name:
    Jeff Grabowski
    No answer to the question, but mine is very similar.
     
  3. mikeyr

    mikeyr Formula 3

    Jun 17, 2004
    2,154
    Santa Barbara, CA.
    Full Name:
    Mike Rambour
    Mine does it first start of the day. It seemed to do less of a stumble the one night it spent inside the garage since its warmer in the garage but it usually lives outside.
     
  4. waterboy222

    waterboy222 Karting

    Dec 29, 2009
    54
    Grand Lake, OK
    WHEW!

    Thanks guys!
     
  5. MD355

    MD355 Formula Junior

    Mar 8, 2004
    802
    Athens, Greece
    Full Name:
    MD
    If you recently had belt change maybe your timing is slightly off from the ideal... Even 1 or 2 degrees can make a big difference at idle and throughout the rev range !!!
     
  6. Sled Driver

    Sled Driver Formula Junior

    May 13, 2010
    494
    Stokesdale, NC
    Full Name:
    Emery
    Read the post's, it's only on start up for a couple of seconds. So it's not the timing belts.

    When my car was in for service I mentioned this issue. They cleaned & resealed some key ground points (didn’t tell me which ones, sorry).

    The car didn’t act up for the rest of the summer. Then after winter storage it started doing it again. Only happens on 1st start of the day & lasts for 5-7 seconds.

    The way it was explained to me was the ignition system comprises of two independent systems "Master & Slave"

    On start up the Master system sends a signal to the other to switch on.
    The delay can be increased with a weak ground.
     
  7. vegas

    vegas Formula Junior

    Nov 22, 2009
    294
    Australia
    Mine does the same. It almost, but doesn't stall, for the first 5 secs or so, then bursts to life. It runs perfectly all the time except - just as others say, the first start of the day, though it seems worse on cold mornings.

    As it came into winter, it seemed worse and my battery was weak, so I replaced it. It didn't improve - just cranked quicker.

    Maybe it isn;t a problem, just a trait of the 360, or perhaps Enzo keeping us entertained.
     
  8. rustybits

    rustybits F1 Rookie
    Professional Ferrari Technician

    Jan 28, 2007
    2,509
    Somewhere, anywhere
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    Eddie B
    It shouldn't be doing this. It's a common trait of a failing MAF sensor. They can be checked with an oscilloscope for the output voltage. Very often they won't flag a fault in the Motronic ecu's either.
     
  9. andrew911

    andrew911 F1 Rookie
    Silver Subscribed

    Sep 8, 2003
    2,893
    Northern NJ
    A frequent (normal) occurrance for 360/430s. Some people (including myself) note it more often when the car is sitting longer...I haven't had this occur for the past year or so on mine since I drove the car regularly (every couple of weeks at least in the winter if there was no salt on the roads), but before that it would happen typically on the first start and not every time. The more you use the car, the less it seems to happen.

    If you search there are many old posts on this subject. If it happens, you can immediately turn off the key and re-start the car and it should start up normally. Or you can do what my mechanic recommends and just let the car get to idle on its own- no pushing the gas pedal, let it do its thing. Sometimes people note a little bit of smoke when this happens, but it's OK.
     
  10. netman

    netman Formula 3

    Jun 17, 2008
    1,905
    OC SoCal
    I had the same issue before swapping out the ignition coils and MAFs. Now it runs like a champ
     
  11. MikeR397

    MikeR397 Formula 3

    May 9, 2010
    1,469
    SE Michigan
    This is a common issue and can be fixed by clearing the adaptive settings in the ECU. See one of my old posts: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=141135377&postcount=2

    You can search "rough start" or similar and will find this is extremely common, but like I said, it can be fixed. I used the strategy mentioned in the link as my 360 started up weak like this when I bought it in Oct. It completely fixed the issue with the car roaring to life immediately without the weak sputter and has been perfectly fixed for the past 7 months. Ironicaly, it just started this weak startup again three days ago, and has done it twice in a row now. It's been about 2,000 miles driven since it was last done, so I plan do to the quick fix again. I may try just clearing the adapative settings, then let it idle to fully warm once, rather than three full cycles to warm, cold, warm, without drivign in between, to see if that works as well. I'm not sure why three cycles would make a difference, I think the key is clearing the ECU's setting and having the car relearn it's parameters.

    I forgot to mention, I acutally had this done at a shop last time while they were doing the major, so I'm not 100% clear if the ECU values were cleared by battery disconnect or by computer. I'll check on this.
     
  12. MikeR397

    MikeR397 Formula 3

    May 9, 2010
    1,469
    SE Michigan
    I confirmed with the shop that the adaptive values need to be reset by the computer (SD or Leonardo), and battery disconnect will not clear them.
     

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