1962 GTO sells for $35 Million

That's not a missed gear but a normal crunch that many Ferrari gated gearboxes make when cold? Couldn't they have warmed it up first? Nick Mason's car I think and not c/n 3505GT which is RHD.

 

With unrestored blue chip cars attaining more than their fully restored brethren, 3647GT could therefore attain a premium over most. 3505GT has a very original-looking body (no filler etc), even though it looks it has had a nose job or two.

 

At the start of the warm up lap he clearly attempts to put it in reverse. At .50 into the vid.

 

I'm sure you're right. Look at 1.38 when he changes down fron 2nd to 1st. Sounds like the box is still cold. Which c/n is the Green GTO seen at about 12.20?

 

I saw that as well. You can't hide from the Go Pro! LOL.

 

1995.

If you can`t compare the mid 90s DM then you can`t also compare what the owners paid in the late 60s or mid 70s who still have their GTO in their parking lot.

And don`t forget that the DM was always very strong currency. Also the US$ is not the same as it was 20 years ago.

However - the Alfa 33 Stradale turned out to be a great investment, as is/was the GTO.

 

Done that myself in a ferrari once (albeit NOT in a GTO hehe...) :-D. Was rather redfaced.

 

all of the '60s gearboxes seemed to be cold natured especially when trying to select reverse or 2nd gear the 250 SWB, 330 GTC/GTS,330LMB all would like to offer a slight crunch, it was easier to skip 2nd gear until the transmissions warmed up... that crunch would drive the wife nuts, she much prefers the Porsches which would not do that and were easier to drive...although she does enjoy driving a 12 cylinder under hard acceleration with the top down to get max from the sound

 

After reading your post, it occurred to me that you seem to think you have some claim to knowing what is best for "our little hobby".

Why is that?

 

Going to answer my own question here after doing some research. The green car in the video is c/n 3767 GT owned by Sir Anthony Bamford? Would this car have been supplied new to its first driver David Piper by the Ferrari factory direct or via Maranello Concessionaires?

 

Walter,
Of course it was a good investment, I was just trying to know HOW good.
For certain, in the 1995-2012 period not 8 times.

Anyway, I cannot see a car as an investment, only.
Regards.
Cris.-

 

Well, I agree with you reg. the investment view - but when someone spends so much cash ($$35m) for a car (or art etc.) he MUST care about the investment aspect!

 

Thanks

That is more or less also along the lines I was thinking.

 

Bugatti Royale Coupe Napoleon

 

A related question, is there any doubt that the Schlumpf Collection is the world's most valuable?

 

well as #4675gt was built as a series 1 in the first place couldnt he just have "put it right"

 

how do you want to define valuable ?

by collective monetary value, or some other subjective terms... it has 400 some cars in inventory, mostly Bugatti...

is one specific marque more valuable than another, is a smaller collection of various marques with significant cars more valuable, is value determined by the collector as a collector owning perhaps one or two cars that have the most meaning to him

in regard to Bugatti, intellectually I appreciate the marque, I had a neighbor that had a couple, we had fun with them, yet I have no desire to have one, their value to me does not exist...

 

Market value.
There's a lot more there than just Bugs.

 

Schlumpf Collection contains amongst others

Alfa Romeo 8C 2600 Touring Spyder sn.2311226
Alfa Romeo 8C 2900 A Pinin Farina Spyder/Coupé sn.412004
Alfa Romeo 8C 2900 B sn.412032
Alfa Romeo 8C 2900 B sn.412034
Alfa Romeo C52
Alfa Romeo Tipo 412 sn.412152
Amilcar CGS
Amilcar Monoplace Decalee CO
Ballo 3/8 LC
Ballot 2 LT
Bentley 8 Litre Saloon
Benz Phaeton Type Velo 1896
BNC 527 GS
Brasier KD Coupe Chauffeur
Bugatti T101 Berline prototype sn.101500
Bugatti T101 Cabriolet sn.101503
Bugatti T101 Coupe Gangloff sn.57454-3
Bugatti T13 Biplace Course sn.2385
Bugatti T251 monoplace by Colombo sn.251001
Bugatti T30 Torpédo
Bugatti T32 Tank sn.4061
Bugatti T35 A Grand Prix sn.4565
Bugatti T35 A Grand Prix sn.4753
Bugatti T35 B Grand Prix sn.4868
Bugatti T35 B Roadster sn.37328
Bugatti T35 C
Bugatti T35 C Grand Prix sn.4928
Bugatti T35 C Grand Prix sn.4934
Bugatti T35 Grand Prix sn.4612
Bugatti T37 A Grand Prix sn.37314-2
Bugatti T37 A Grand Prix sn.37373
Bugatti T37 A Grand Prix with Engine Type 51A sn.37350
Bugatti T38 Roadster by Fischer sn.38404
Bugatti T40 A Roadster sn.40673
Bugatti T40 Sahara sn.40811
Bugatti T43 Cabriolet sn.43173
Bugatti T43 Grand Sport sn.43206
Bugatti T43 Roadster by Graber sn.43258
Bugatti T44 Coupe Fiacre by Gangloff sn.441205
Bugatti T46 Cabriolet Letourneur & Marchand sn.46125
Bugatti T46 Limousine by Gangloff sn.46188
Bugatti T46 Roadster sn.46287
Bugatti T46 S Berline by Gangloff sn.46560
Bugatti T49 Berline Gangloff sn.49576
Bugatti T51 A Grand Prix sn.51142 ex 4827
Bugatti T51 Grand Prix (ex 4594) sn.51124
Bugatti T57 C Berline Galibier Gangloff sn.57636
Bugatti T57 Cabriolet Saoutchik sn.57417
Bugatti T57 S Roadster Vanden Plas sn.57572
Bugatti T57SC Coupe by Carrosserie Ghia sn.57561
Bugatti T59/50B Grand Prix
Bugatti Veyron
Bugatti T35 B Grand Prix sn.4933
Bugatti T41 Royale Coupé Napoléon sn.41100
Bugatti T41 Royale Esders Roadster Replica
Bugatti T41 Royale Saloon body by Park Ward sn.41131
Bugatti T43 A Roadster sn.43288
Bugatti T46/50 surprofilé Jean Bugatti sn.46482
Bugatti T55 Coupe Gangloff rebuilt in Roadster sn.55225
Bugatti T55 Coupe Jean Bugatti sn.55204
Bugatti T55 Coupe Jean Bugatti sn.55212
Bugatti T55 Coupe sn.55203
Bugatti T55 Super Sport Jean Bugatti sn.55237
Bugatti T55 Super Sport sn.55215
Bugatti T57 C Atalante Gangloff sn.57539
Bugatti T57 Coupe Labourdette Vutotal sn.57457
Bugatti T57 S Atalante Gangloff sn.57481
Bugatti T57 S Atalante Gangloff with "Aravis" type rear end sn.57471-2
Bugatti T57 SC Atalante Gangloff sn.57383
Bugatti T57 SC Atalante Gangloff sn.57451
Bugatti T57 SC Cabriolet "Aravis" Gangloff sn.57543
Bugatti T57 SC Cabriolet "Aravis" Gangloff sn.57571
Bugatti T57 Ventoux sn.57356
Bugatti T57 Ventoux sn.57611
Bugatti Type Phaeton 1931
CD Coach Le Mans
Cisitalia D46
Darracq 55 20/28 Coupe Chauffeur
Delage Type F
Delahaye 135M Coach
Dufaux Biplace Couse 100/120 PS 1904
Edwardians
Ferrari 156B F1 sn.004
Ferrari 166 F1 1948
Ferrari 212 F2 1950 sn.0110
Ferrari 250 GT PF Coupe
Ferrari 250 LM sn.5975
Ferrari 250 MM sn.0230mm
Ferrari 312 B sn.002
Ferrari 375 MM sn.0450am
Ferrari 500 TRC sn.0692mdtr
Ferrari 500/625 F2 1952
Gordini GP Type 16 1952
Gordini GP Type 16 1953
Gordini Type 265
Hermes/Mathis designed by Ettore Bugatti
Hispano-Suiza Sport Alphonse XIII
Hispano-Suiza J12 Cabriolet
Horch 670 Cabriolet
Isotta-Fraschini Type 8A Beline ex.Rodolfo Valentino
Isotta-Fraschini Type 8a Landaulet Lancefield
Lotus 24
Maserati 250 F
Maserati 300S sn.3065
Maserati 4CL 1939
Maserati 8 CM 1933 sn.3010
Maserati Biplace Sport 2000
Maserati GP 1936
Mercedes Type 28/95 Torpedo
Mercedes-Benz 300 SLR
Mercedes-Benz 38/250 SS
Mercedes-Benz 540 K Cabriolet B
Mercedes-Benz 540 K Cabriolet by Erdmann&Rossi
Mercedes-Benz 720 SSK
Mercedes-Benz W125
Monet-Goyon Torpedo Type MV
OM 665 MM Roadster
Panhard-Levassor 35CV Monoplace
Panhard-Levassor Biplace Course
Panhard-Levassor Monoposto
Panhard-Levassor Type U1 Coupe Chauffeur
Panhard-Levassor Type XS Berline
Panhard-Levassor X8 Coupe Chauffeur
Piccolo 7HP Coupe Landaulet
Porsche 908 Langheck
Porsche 956C
Porsche 962C
Renault Tonneau 1900
Renault Type AX Torpedo
Rochet-Schneider RS Phaeton
Rolls-Royce Silver Ghost
Senechal Sport Roadster
Serpollet Type H
Simca-Gordini 15S Coupe
Sizaire-Naudin 12HP
Talbot 26C GP 1949
Talbot-Lago Grand Prix


At a guess over a billion $ worth

 

Even considering the condition issues many of the cars there suffer from I'd say 1B $ easily.

They seem a bit more interested in exercising some of the machines these days. They've even built a small demonstration track adjacent to the museum.

 

Geez, did they just have a road built from the back door of the Bugatti factory right to the museum?

 

Can you guys help me out on this?

I believe the Schlumpf Collection had at one time the Ferrari/Pininfarina 512S prototype from 1969, and then it went to DK Engineering.

Who owns this car now?

 

As of last week in wasn't in Mulhouse.

 

Dear Kim, slightly puzzled by this open letter to me, the PM box is open. In any case, your invitation to drive your car is very kind, I wasn't aware of it, perhaps I missed it. Neil's work on vintage Ferrari is highly regarded worldwide, and it would be very interesting to see his shop. Perhaps I can fit it into my schedule one day.

But I have not changed my position on replicas although I am pretty sick of discussing them, and I am deeply grateful for the separate section so I can avoid going there too often.

I still have issue with replicas using original Ferrari material, as they impact on the ever dwindling stock of old parts that could be used for original cars (which no matter how you play it should have first dibs) - not to mention the horrendous practice of destroying a car's original identity to resurrect it as a fake something else, which is still going on on a daily basis.

But my biggest issue is the one of pretence. I cannot stand replica owners that pretend to own something which they actually do not. If one has a replica/recreation (potato/potAAto) car, one should be a man and etch it into the window pane so it is there for everyone to see. THEN one can legitimately claim to own the car only for the driving experience and aesthetics, not to try and impress with another peacock's feathers as we say in Holland.

So far, no replica owner I have met has avoided the trap of pretending to be someone else. It would be really nice for someone not to conform to my prejudices and proving that it is actually possible to live up to their own claims (honestly, I only have it for myself!). The very fact that people tend to get angry when their car is correctly described says bundles.

But perhaps they are out there. I'm ready to be pleasantly surprised.

Cordially yours,


Onno

 

The issue of replica/reproductions being promoted as original was discussed during the lead up to the formation of the new replica sub forum which is a good first step. Hopefully this will lead up to the formation of an organization to doccument and promote replicas and reproductions for what they are. Such a "club" could serve to give these cars a place where they could be doccumented and legitimised and enjoyed in a format acceptable to all. Part of membership would be a "Ferrrari" fender decal clearly displaying what the car really is. By eliminating the "coverup" stigma this would create an atmosphere of open acceptability which would clear up much of the controversy. tongascrew