Ferrari F70 Render!

Well I did do the render so all cool. Will be very interesting to see what the actual car looks like.

Pete

 

Ok. Now open your eyes! Just kidding of course. I'd have to say that I disagree. IMO this is NOT an improvement let alone a massive one over the Enzo. But as the saying goes "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" so if your eye sees "massive improvement" then so be it. Personally I think the Enzo is beautiful with a timeless design.

 

I agree that the Enzo has a timeless design. It's still breathtaking (in a good way) when seen in person by young and old.

It will be hard to steal the show from the "Enzo", but I'm sure they'll do it.

 

Pictures don't do the Enzo justice it's a whole different breast in person....wow

 

I agree.... but it won't.

 

Been there done that ... still not impressed. What you guys are getting excited about are likely all the cool technical details. That is NOT a reflection on good or bad styling, just that you are petrol heads.

Take the P4/5 for example, leaves the Enzo dead from a styling point of view. The Enzo looks like it was designed by a child with edges all over the place ... gastly. No wonder Jim had to change the shape .
Pete

 

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Well, that is your personal opinion and many people beg to differ. I too find the Enzo stunning! It's like a mix of an F1 car with fighter jet or a spacecraft. It's like a bird of pray ready to devour anything in its way. It inspires awe as hypercars ought to. No disrespect to Napolis, but I don't find the P4/5 to my liking; too bubbly and retro IMHO.

 

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Enzo= Form Follows Function.... which hasn't necessarily been an Italian design philosophy over the years. I respect it for what it's intent was and agree that pictures do not do it justice.

 

The Enzo doesn't follow form follows function. It's aero is mediocre. Having put it into a wind tunnel we were shocked at how unbalanced it is R/F, how little downforce it really has and how it's inlets seriously over power it's outlets causing drag and turbulence. Ferrari completely understood this and that's why the race version Maser's MC12 is so different from the Enzo including a longer wheelbase and much longer tail. P 4/5 has twice the downforce of an Enzo and much lower drag which gives it a lot higher VMAX.

Take Ring Times. Enzo 7:27 with 660 HP and 3200lbs. P 4/5 CM with 560HP including KERS and 2950 lbs. 6:51. Some is tires and set up but a LOT is much better aero and downforce.

An MC 12 would be a lot faster than an Enzo around the Ring.

The new Enzo IMO will have a LOT better aero than the old Enzo and a LOT more active aero to produce it. It will also IMO be a LOT curvier than the old Enzo.

We shall see.

 

Jim... I agree with your post. I should say that while form follows function was their intent... they achieved the "appearance" of form follows function but that the "function" aspect wasn't achieved through their final form.-)

Say that ten times real fast...

In short... It was a design meant to look purposeful. More striking than elegant which makes it controversial being an Italian design.

 

Very well said, both you and Jim.

Comparison to a fighter jet assumes that one likes the beaky, sharply angled styling cues of a jet fighter. They are not designed to appeal visually, merely to cheat the wind and minimize radar signature without making too much of a compromise for pilots' sight lines. Some jet fighters look better than others, but the YF-22 Raptor is singularly ugly and ungainly from a styling viewpoint. Consider the F-16 Falcon, or the Eurofighter, for a bit more symmetry and appealing curves and rectilinear form.

To each his own--I dislike the Enzo's styling immensely. The P4/5, to me, is a bit more appealing than the Enzo but it too has some very inconsistently styled areas. The front end is fairly hideous with the big rectangular opening below clashing with the curvy hood and nicely styled and integrated headlights above.

The performance speaks for itself. Both are supercars, and the P4/5 is clearly superior.

 

The interesting thing is that many believe wedges are better aero wise than curves. The Photo Bill posted a few posts earlier is of P 4/5 (road) which had the same shape as 2011 P 4/5 C. In 2012 we did an Evo nose which is much curvier with less inlet and more exit and the aero improved a lot resulting in 30 KPH more VMAX. (A little more HP helped but most of the gain was improve aero)
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That new nose looks a million times better. Stick it on the P4/5 too! Then you will only have the "broken" looking side profiles to fix! :-D

Anyone who understands calculus knows curves/tapers are superior.

 

Those old guys from the 60's weren't stupid, the new nose and intakes make it look more P4.

 

The later nose on the Comp Car is a vast improvement to my eye and more similar to the original P4... which is inline with the P4/5s retro styling. The change... if applied to the street car would be a cherry.

 

The nose on Ferrari P 4/5 by Pininfarina was designed by Pininfarina.

The nose on P 4/5 Competizione M (KERS) was designed by Sal, Paolo and me.

Both cars are clearly an Hommage to our P 3/4.

The nose on road P 4/5 will stay as Pininfarina designed it and it will be interesting to look at the cars side by side.

 

IMHO the original P4/5 looks right, because that's how it was born/created, so shouldn't ever change

...the P4/5C though is intended to evolve, as increased performance & racing changes it, so it's expected to improve and evolve

 

Life is good when you have the option.-)

Cheers-)

 

Did you use a rolling road in the tunnel? A lot of Ferraris' downforce comes from the undertray and unless you have a rolling road you cannot measure it in a wind tunnel. Or so I have read.

 

Nice, but this might be grounds for a lawsuit. ;} Looks like the P4/5 was copied.

 

We did.

http://www.pininfarina.it/en/services/wind_tunnel

 

It is a massive collision of the Gallardo and F50.

I dont like the Enzo either, but...