Ferrari F70 Render!

Well I still like it. I like how the side flows up to the muscular rear wheel arches. I like the nose, which to me is similar to the Enzo but with more purpose to it.

Anyway what I think is irrelevant, as I'm not the designer and I most definitely will never be buying one!
Pete

 

Looking at the Enzo today, doesn't look like it will age well...just my view. The f40 and f50 look like they are aging better.

I like the Enzo, just didn't love it, but you have to respect it.

 

Nope .

When they (Ferrari) decided to give the Enzo some respect they went looking at racing categories and found that it did not actually fit in any race classes or series, and they had to restyle it (some of that was to make it look different when they stuck a Maserati badge on it I guess). They had to I believe get special dispensation. Complete and utter failure IMO.

If Ferrari is going to design a complete and utterly pointless supercar they should at least ensure, that if some owner out there actually wants to make their particular car have a point and race it, that it will be eligible for a series.

They made the F50 GT1 which gives the F50 credience, even though it never raced properly, that car is no posuer, and we all know the F40 eventually proved itself fast if unreliable. The 288GTO was designed for a race series that disappeared through no fault of the car, so the Enzo is really the first "Ferrari' supercar that was designed and lived through it's modern history with utterly no purpose other than to pose with ... just sad. All that technology for nothing.

And the other thing is the Enzo name is another example of crazy Italians having trouble with common sense. What a stupid name IMO.

Lets hope they think of Le Mans or some other series when they make the big decisions with the F70. Who knows some multi-squillionaire owner might decide to give it a real test.
Pete

 

Wow, interesting take ....lol, what I meant by respect it, was,that it was such an advanced car for the time.....and deserved the respect of being a supercar.

 

. I have a potentially unique view that if you are going to make a car really flippin fast, then you should race it, otherwise why bother.
Pete

 

I'd guess those big decisions would have to have been made quite a while ago.

 

I was really hoping to see a P4.5 production model

 

Unique views indeed. lol

 

The 2014 Le Mans rules make it impossible for the next Enzo to race there. The days of Sports Cars similar in structure to the one's you can buy to drive on the road racing in the top class at Le Mans are gone.

Also the days when The Ferrari Factory participated at the top level of Le Mans or any Sport Car racing for that matter have been gone for many years.

 

PSK, Ferrari is in business to sell cars. To that end, they have a pretty good understanding of their target market. As evidenced by the success of the brand.

Wishing for Le Mans-capable racers and Salt Lake record-breakers and submersibles and other schoolboy fantasies to come true doesn't alter the market realities that Ferrari has to contend with.

For its target market, Ferrari is right on the money with its product offerings, and that's by design, not coincidence. Challenge cars, Pilota and Clienti programs, etc., cater to the more extreme end. Beyond that, Cars can be customized for a particular purpose, and some owners do go down this route. It's just a function of time, money, and effort.

 

Absolutely STUNNING !!! - he, he, and a bit TOO inspired by the abrubt lines of the LAMBO Sesto.

I would like to have seen the longer fluid lines, but times are a changing !!.

The running prototype is a lot more convincing, than a 'random' styling drawing,..

s.

 

The Ferrari guys are giving their customers what they want. Super high performance in a car that can be driven on the street and even higher performance (FXX) for track use.

The Enzo's aero is actually excellent, contrary to some discussion in this thread...

1. 218 mph at the Chrysler Proving Grounds.
2. 7:25 at the Nurburgring with 2003-era street tires and a busted suspension (the MC12 did 7:24).
3. 238 mph on the Bonneville salt flats with essentially a stock body and twin turbos.
4. The FXX has a very similar body style. The 599XX, with its less sophisticated aero, did 6:58 on the Nurburgring.
5. Variable downforce exceeding 1,000 lbs at desired speeds. The Enzo's sophisticated variable downforce technology is well tested and documented.

Jim, are there published independent tests for P4/5 street? Would love to see a comparison.

 

I prefer my girls to have curves, not bends

 

Continuous curvature is far more ideal at the cross section with less turbulence. Although, a wedge often has less frontal area.

 

So Porsche Carrera GT, Lamborghini Aventador and Bugatti Veyron aren't up your alley either?

 

Any kid that could have dreamt up the Enzo prior to 2002, should get a job at Pininfarina instantly. To each his own, but the Enzo does make a clear visual statement and is in all it's aspects a completely unique and original design. Surely P4/5 is not a better design even if only because it gets its styling cues from another car.

 

I have to agree 100% with this. I'm so glad that Ferrari don't take the easy design route of doing recreations.

 

So how come clapton's SP12 exists?

 

I think he mean't cars produced by ferrari, not made to order one offs.

 

A Curvy Shape that can generate 3200 lb. of downforce, the ability to pull 2.8 G's, and a 6:51 Ring Time IMO mean you've got a Keeper.

 

talking bout the race car, or the street car? cause race sliks and other race mombo jumbo don't really make it a comparison.

 

Correct. Impressive engineering but the only, almost pointless, prize goes to the Bugatti for actually being the fastest production car.

Pete

 

Road P 4/5 has more VMAX than an Enzo (233), is faster 0-100KPH (3.2s) has over twice the downforce, unlike the Enzo has balanced downforce F/R weighs hundreds of pounds less and is way faster around a track than an Enzo (Bahrain F1 Track).

Race P 4/5 (With engine air inlet restriction and ballast to reach minium required race weight) is faster around The Ring than any Ferrari Sports car ever including non street legal ones on slicks like an 599 FX.

 

Correct. It will be interesting to see if the new Enzo can beat the Veyron's VMAX and/or 0-100 KPH.

 

yet slower then a 458GTE around the ring.