Tires

YES! I need to know that too, I will really like the Super Sports not the PS2 and they do not have them on that size

 

I will offer the best answer I can. I've never had Michelin tires on my f430, and in fact I've never had both Pirelli's and Michelins on the same car, but have had each on different cars. The P-Zero Corsas stick like crazy on either an f430 or lp560. P-Zero Rossas are noticably (and annoyingly) less grippy than the Corsas even in spirited real-world driving (I'm sure they would be far less impressive on a track). The Corsas also offer perfectly decent ride and noise comfort. And while I've never had them out in the rain, the relatively large amount of siping leads me to believe that they'd probably get you home safe if you drove cautiously.

The downside to the Corsas is that they lose grip quickly. It seems to me like they are down on grip inside of 1000 miles, and are significantly less grippy (to the point where the AWD Lambo can spin all 4 tires from a roll) by say 3-4000 miles.

This isn't great expert advice as we're talking 5 sets of the things total, but they really don't seem to last very long.

The Michelin Pilot Sport Cups don't seem to give up grip as quickly, although I'm sure they will wear out very fast. No way to compare ride or noise of the two.

Hope that helps.

 

Covered many times...sometimes the threads are focused on the CS or Scud...

The Bridgestone RE-11 come in the stock scud sizes of 235/35-19 and 285/35/19 and are awesome (I put them on my CS in march to replace the same size corsa system tires and its night and day). You can go with MPSS, but will have to change rear tire size to 305/30 IIRC (do the search and F430GT and others have chimed in with all the needed details on fit etc)

Put simply and accurately the RE-11 are (1) cheaper, (2) stick better and (3) last longer than the corsa tires. Easy choice. OTOH, the MPSS don't come in the stock size but do offer comparable dry performance and (per F430GT) better wet performance (not that my Ferrari is ever out in the wet) but cost a bit more than RE-11.

 

Yep +1, I've read enough to switch to the B.stone RE-11s when my pirellis are gone.

 

Look at the 235/35 PSS for the front and the new 295/35 for the rear. I don't know if they will fit the stock rims but some research should answer the question for you.

 

Read arizona's post again. Bridgestones RE-11.

 

RE-11s for max dry performance, esp for rear-mid engine cars. Michelin Super Sports for GTs (California), esp if driven in the wet.

 

I agree the Bridgestone RE-11 is an amazing tire. I have them on a Maserati Gransport and they have transformed the handling. No more massive understeer.

On my Stradale I have the Pirelli Corsa system tires. Currently on my third set. I did go up to the Pirelli Corsa system with the higher load rating though and that seems to help the sidewall flex and a little bit less understeer. I also went up to 235/35 fronts on the first tire change. 225 is just too narrow. Also protects the rims better.

Recently my front Pirelli's were wearing a little thin on the inside so I ordered the Bridgestone RE-11 fronts from Tire Rack (Great Company). When they arrived I was shocked how heavy they were. I then went on the Tire Rack website and found out the Bridgestone fronts weigh 27 lbs. By comparison the Pirelli Corsa system front tires weigh only 20 lbs. That is a 35% increase for the Bridgestones. I have not put them on yet and am still using the Pirelli's. I did flip them on the wheels though and will get another 1000 miles out of them. Don't worry it works fine.

On the rear it is not so bad. Pirelli system rears are 29 lbs. and the Bridgestones are only slightly heavier at 31 lbs.

This is unsprung weight so it is a big deal for handling. On race cars we fight to safe ounces of unsprung weight and the Bridgestones would add 7 lbs. May not bother cars driven light to medium loads but would effect suspension bump rebound particularly on the front. If I put them on I will report again, but they may just go on the Maserati. Same would apply to a Scuderia.

Just a counter point on the Bridgestone RE-11.

 

Despite of the extra weight on the RE-11, they are faster than Corsa System in all conditions: dry or wet. The RE11 won't heat cycle with street use, while the Corsa is garbage after 24HC, and any hot day will put a HC on the Corsa.

For a standard F430, 235/35R19 and 285/35R19 RE11 are the tire to go, same sizes for the MPSS (phenomenal wet grip, unreal).

For Scuderia/16M, 255/30R19 and 305/30R19 MPSS are a better choice (given the extra width), or 245/35R19-285/35R19 RE11.

I have two cars on RE11 and one on MPSS. As the RE11 wear out in any of the two cars I'm switching to MPSS, wet grip in Florida is a must.

 

I agree on weight issue but the heat cycles/grip issue makes up for it except when the Corsas are nearly new. The MPSS are close to the same weight as the RE-11s IIRC.

 

Yup, my heat-cycled Corsa's were like driving on ice...virtually no grip...not to mention that the Corsa's are 50% more expensive than RE-11 (there I go again with the "better grip, longer wearing, cheaper" trifecta)...I've seen no one argue that corsa does anything better/faster than RE-11 except drain your wallet...

 

Rad - do the MPSS come in that rear tire size? (I've not seen them)

Also, I think we can also say for a CS the above is true (in addition to regular 430)...hopefully that will get all the tire info in one thread so folks will stop saying they can't find it when searching!

 

I too have a gransport (spider) and CS. What size RE-11 do you have on the gransport? I don't drive that car too hard (its kinda heavy and that's what the CS is for...that said I did track it at Firebird for a few sessions and it was good fun) but wouldn't mind improving grip next time tires are due...

 

On MPSS for the F430 and 360 CS the rear to use is the 295/35R19 (they don't make a 285/35R19 just yet).

The limitation with the F430 and Stradale is the front wheel width (7.5"), so anything bigger than 235 gets a little fat and difficult to mount. Ideally, the 295 should go with a front 245 (for better balance), but the front wheels in the F430 and Stradale are too narrow for a 245.

However, grip is far superior than anything OEM. Shorter stopping distances, higher g forces on turns, better acceleration from a standing start, a safer car.

Another factor I like about the MPSS, is their speed rating. The RE-11 is rated at 168mph maximum continuous speed (something like 181 mph on the dashboard), while the MPSS is rated at 186+ mph continuous speed. Daytona can put a Scuderia over the 168mph.

 

Rad,

Thanks again for post info. I know it must be frustrating to post info over and over. I, for one, appreciate your input greatly and am using it in my decision to get RE-11's 235 frt/285rr. The extra grip in front should dial out a bit of understeer. I really want PSS's but I think 285 looks fat as it is. lol

cheers!
Jim

 

Up one size on both front and rear. Front is 245/35R19 Rear is 275/30. You can wail around corners and power out very hard in 1st and 2nd. The wear rate seems very good as well. Rims are protected better and big improvement in handling. Ride is a little harsh over large pavement gaps here in Southern California. Our roads are falling apart. It is OK because we provide very generous pensions to our public workers. But I digress!!

 

Great thread and great info! I'm looking to replace my set of Michelin PS2 (due to age) and wanted to buy the Michelin Super Sports. Unfortuantely (and as you guys know), it looks like Michelin isn't offering the Super Sport in my size (for the 360). Having only ever used Michelin on my cars, I was a bit bummed by the news and not really sure what brand to jump to.


My mechanic just recommended Bridgestone Potenza RE-11. It sounds like you all agree that this is a good bet.

Thanks again for all the great info!

 

Just wanted to add to the thread... While I realize wet grip is not the forte of RE-11s, I can say from today's experience that they're pretty decent. They got me home through a storm of near-biblical proportion today with no evidence of slip. To be sure, I took it easy, but I felt nothing but confidence the whole way.

 

Gents - I wanted to loop back to let you know that I ended up getting the Bridgestone Potenza RE-11. Although not fair for me to make a comparison to 10yr old Michelins, I agree with others on this thread that the Bridgestones are nice. I'm pleased and would also recommend them. What I've noticed most is the grip upon acceleration. No slippage... amazing! I'm looking forward to really wearing them in on some windy roads.

I also have a contact a Michelin and he confirmed that the OEM size for the 360 was not being made.

 

I wanted to check-in with RE-11 owners as it's time to consider tires for the new-to-me 360. This recent thread (among others) has had favorable reviews of the RE-11 and I wanted to see how the tires are doing, especially with maintaining performance as they wear.

The car is a near-daily driver 360.

The tire choices for the stock 18" rims as available on Tire Rack today are :
(1) Bridgestone Potenza RE-11
(2) Bridgestone Potenza S-02
(3) Pirelli P-Zero (Direzionale in front, Asimmetrico in back)

No MPSS nor S04's available in my stock 18" size. I prefer to stick with stock widths to eliminate the chances of rubbing. The tires being replaced are the 7-year-old P Zero's that came on the car.

Your thoughts and comments are appreciated!

Forza,
David

 

Any thoughts on these tires?

Forza,
David

 

I love mine. Haven't had them long enough to speak to wear, though. They've done a pretty solid job in two hellacious rain storms, too. That was unexpected, and very much appreciated!

 

Same here. Happy but have only had them a few months, so can't speak to wear either. But good job so far!