Webber staying with RB for 2013

Renault blew engines for a year before they got it right. Cost Vettel big time.

 

And then when they stopped exploding Newey made everything better. As long as he is there and they have lots of money RB will be a force.

 

I'm not denying that at all. It's just a matter of how long it will take for each manufacturer to get it right.

That's why I think 2014 the cards will be freshly shuffled. From the bottom up.

 

90 degree v configuration is NOT right for a v6! What the ****.

Why so many regulations?. It should cubic capacity and fuel tank size, that is it!
Pete

 

No doubt. But they'll figure it out if necessary...... Fuel flow (the way they're regulating it with the new motors) is unquestionably the best way to level the playing field. If you can get your "drivability" right you've got a winner. But there's no way to predict who may do that ahead of the season.

Of course. But my point is that none of 'em (teams, jockeys or us armchair experts) will know until a few races into the season who's got it right.

There's no way the jockeys know where they should be just because of the new motors.... I honestly believe most of 'em will stand pat going into 2014. The top teams will remain the top teams.

By 2015 possibly things will change and we'll see the musical chairs get busy. Not before.

Cheers,
Ian

 

Debatable.......

Because they want a level playing field (?)

I'd say cubic capacity & fuel flow - But that's splitting hairs. Both can achieve the same ends.

Cheers,
Ian

 

Considering he was in serious talks with Ferrari Id say he's B+. What will you think if he wins the title. From B to A like JB?? As Mansell said there are a number of good drivers, who in the right car, can win the title. I put him in that category. He's no Alonso but if the car is better than the Ferrari Webber is definitely a contender. I dont see him as a B-list driver at all. Looks like a solid well performing driver that is frankly in demand.

 

Not really, he still won the title.

 

RBR is not going to be a long term powerhouse like Ferrari or McLaren. Mark my words.

 

Mark your words or....what? That statement needs to have a consequence =)

 

I'm talking about 2009 where he had a realistic chance for the title.

 

manufacturers only use 90 degrees for v6 engines so they can use the same tooling as v8 engines.

The correct angle is 120 degrees.
Pete

 

One could argue that 60 degrees is even better. A straight six possibly better again of course.

"Packaging" may be an issue, but I wish they'd let 'em do their own thing as you said; XXXX cc, no more than Z Kg/h of fuel and have at it! May the best design win!

The problem with 120 degrees in an F1 car is it ****s the aero..... I'm sure you remember Ferrari's struggles when Colin reinvented the sport and the Scuderia was stuck with the flat 12.

I (obviously! ) don't know why they mandated a 90deg V, but I doubt it's tooling concerns in this case.

Cheers,
Ian

 

If you mean long term as in decades then I agree with you. But as long as Newey is there (and he is only 53...) and Dietrich keeps pouring in cash, Seb and Mark would be wise to stay put.

 

Have they just lopped 2 cylinders off the current engine?

Pete

 

In less than a decade (7-9 years) RBR will be back to the upper end of the midfield, IMO.

 

Possible I guess..... [TBH, I hadn't thought of that - You could very well be right.]

IIRC, that's pretty much what they did going from the 10's to the 8's. Another stupid move by Mad Max that Patrick Head said was "the most expensive cost cutting exercise in the history of the sport."

Cheers,
Ian

 

"if we save any more money we'll go broke"

INOSHO The new crop of engines will be the most reliable out of the box yet. Understressed with plenty of time for computer sims and bench testing. That being said if such a mundane component as an alternator can fail there are no guarentees.

 

As I've always said, with the V10s they could have simply put an air restrictor in the airbox and limited the RPM if they wanted to slow the cars down. Would have cost about 20 bucks per car.

 

+1

Wasn't it Torro Rosso that did just that for the first season of the 8's? Maybe two teams ran restricted 10's that first year?

Of course, $20 per car is a *slight* exaggeration. But you certainly have a point.

Cheers,
Ian

 

Very true!

+1

With a 15k rev limit they *should* last forever.

Even now, when was the last time we saw one really do the "kablamo" thing? I can't recall a nice big engine explosion in quite a while

As long as it doesn't turn into an economy run I still think they'll be fine. Not the V10 scream but anyone who recalls the BMW 4 pot turbo's has "fond memories"......

Cheers,
Ian

 

FWIW BMW's new three series base engine is a turbo four.

 

You are correct, it was the Toro Rossos. Ran rev and air-restricted V10s.