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  1. dm_n_stuff

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    Not necessarily.

    And why bother to see they're not posted here? Simple. Why make it ANY easier for a bad guy?

    Why not protect your identity when you can?

    I got an email the other day. Looked like it was from Capital One. Had actual links to capital one. They claimed to be from the fraud Department and had an 800# to call.

    I called it, got a professional sounding recording asking for my CC# and last four digits of my social. I STOPPED before I put in the info. Got online, called Cap One. Turned out the email was a fraud. BUT IT WAS DAMN SLICK, and I almost fell for it.

    Thieves are pretty sophisticated. Why make the info readily available?

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  2. dm_n_stuff

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    Better to be lucky that good, I suppose.

    I also have a LTCF, but I'd prefer never to have to use it.

    A little caution goes a long way.

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  3. dm_n_stuff

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    ten bucks a month for 400 inquiries.

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  4. Highlow

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    Sure, if they had your address, name, etc that could be seen as dangerous. Nobody will disagree with that.

    But where can I spend $10 to find that info if I have someone's license plate?

    edit: answered above.
     
  5. TheMayor

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    What does that have to do with a license plate that you drive around town in?

    I don't get the "big risk" when you own your car and drive it anyway. Are you so paranoid that even going out in public means someone can find out something about you?

    Please answer this question I've asked 3 times already:

    If having your license plate displayed in public were so dangerous to our safety, why do we force people to have them in public and even fine them if they don't?
     
  6. TheMayor

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    I don't know how this sight works and I have no interest in finding out but you cannot get the personal information from the DMV on a license plate in California. I don't know about other states.

    Unless someone shows me that you can simply type in a license plate and get all sorts of information about who they are, where they live, etc... I say it's not true.

    You need Driver's license numbers or some other information than just a license plate.
     
  7. dm_n_stuff

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    Because we have to have a license for EVERYTHING.

    When folks rode horses, they didn't need a license. But add another 8 or 9 horsepower and BOOM, you need lessons and a license to drive it.

    The public benefit of a license plate outweighs the risk, at least in the eyes of government. Oh, and don't forget the revenue it generates.

    How else would they know you haven't STOLEN whatever it is you're driving when a cop pulls you over?

    And how would we know if you insured it? Catch you when you broke the law, etc.

    The list goes on and on.

    And yes, maybe I am a little paranoid. But my wife has had bad guys waiting for her when she got home from work in the past. Had a child molester camped in the woods behind her condo waiting to get at the kids. Had another one meet her in the street, and another one's brother show up in a class she taught. All people she had arrested in the past.

    I've had employees threaten me when I fired them. As I stated before, had a couple fchatters show up at my house, had another find where I worked and call and threaten me.

    I've gotten an email or three from a VERY FAMOUS FCHATTER who swindled a bunch of folks in his lifetime and got publicly skewered here for it. He made it abundantly clear that he knew who I was, where I lived and worked the threat was implied.

    So yes, I guess I am a little paranoid, and I do not intend to make it any easier for folks to find me, or my wife than I absolutely have to. I also have a couple large angry dogs and a well stocked personal armory should they decide to get too up close and personal again.

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  8. TheDuke

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    It's expired :)


    I just black out plates in photos sometimes so I don't piss off the owner.
     
  9. TheMayor

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    What does ANY of this have to do with a license plate on the rear of your car and posting it somewhere?

    If you took your car to a car show, do you beat the crap out of everyone and break their camera for whoever dares take a picture of your car? What if they snapped a picture of your VIN through the windshield?

    So, would you not go to a car show simply because "someone" may take a picture and post it? Carbon asks people all the time for VIN's. Is he aiding and abetting crooks by supplying information to people here checking on the history of a car?

    There are things you can do to protect your identity. Worrying about your license plate number is not one of them.
     
  10. tx246

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    Rob,

    In TEXAS, I can, with only your license plate #, tell where you live. I can also tell what other vehicles are registered at your address and their license plate numbers.

    Now, knowing YOUR address, I can cross reference and tell who else is a registered driver at your address. I can pull county tax records, which will not only tell me where you live (confirming) but other property owned by you and it's value. With your names, I can tell you how you have registered to vote. I can tell you what professional licenses you have. And various other things.

    In todays world, I don't have the same access I had a couple of years ago. It scare sthe poop out of me this is possible.

    Imagine a single female driving down the road..... I could know if she lived close, if she lived alone, how she voted, etc..... Definite saftey issues.

    I have this access only because of a professional reason, and I am not a computer guy. I imagine there is a ton more info that can be sourced from something a simple as a license plate for people far more knowledgable than me.

    The term "Public Record" today is much easier to gain access to than in the past. I don't see any reason to make it easier than it always is.

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  11. rob lay

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    that doesn't threaten me at all though. maybe a little more if there was an easy free public website and a person entered one license plate and got all that info back. you say yourself you have the access for a professional reason. others do too, but it is also tracked who hits the db and why. my point isn't that information isn't available, but that a license plate on the internet isn't any more risk that a license plate where the picture was taken and everywhere else that car goes. people that worried about license plates must never leave the house.
     
  13. SAFE4NOW

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    Copy and Paste off the page where you enter the Plate#


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    Once you enter the plate # it gives you name, address, etc of the person the car is registered to.

    Several ppl here in Texas use a business address rather than home...

    Hope this helps you understand that the information is a few key strokes away..

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  14. TheMayor

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    I did see this but out of 50 states, it's only a few and most of them are old. What "old" means I have no idea but people move about every 3 years so if it's more than that, most likely it's pretty useless.

    So, if I live in Texas and have a Texas plate, do I risk my safety and personal information simply by driving around with my plate exposed? Is this really a big problem?

    If so, then have the legislator in Texas get on this horrible situation ASAP! Eveyone in Texas--- your life is under threat and you don't know it!!!!
     
  15. tx246

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    Rob,

    Speaking from personal experience, and I hope you can understand where I am coming from, I had no reason to worry about this either. Unfortunately, the ecomony took a bad turn, and it was easy to google me and have Ferrarichat come up - especially since my ID was my name.

    Even though there wasn't a SINGLE thing legit about illegality, there were PLENTY of people that felt I had a FERRARI - BECAUSE I "SCREWED THEM" IN SOME disconnected way.

    Of course, if you have a "Ferrari" or any other high end car, you have had to screw someone to get it, regardless of the age of the car or how long you have owned it...... Like I said, registered vehicles are easily tracked.

    After having numerous people show up at my house, leave notes on my door, leave notes on my car, cause damage to vehicles on my property, cause damage to other things related to my property. We have had multiple police reports filed to the point we became a "drive by" area for crime, which is aweful nice.

    We have employed law enforcement personel to sit and protect. Quite a few people were arrested and charged with trespassing and endangerment (more than you would ever imagine). This sounds outragish, but is 100% true. For multiple years, we had to have security because of sillyness driven off of the internet.

    I don't blame Ferrarichat for this in any way, but Ferrarichat definitely made the situation EXTREMELY WORSE. Live and Learn. Posting License plates on any website is just an opportunity for a never-expected problem to begin.
     
  16. rob lay

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    Boardwalk doesn't block license plates on your event pics, so good enough for me to follow same policy! :)
     
  17. tx246

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    This site used to be based in Texas. After a law awas passed, the computers were unplugged and they were plugged back in in Antigua.

    It is one on many sites that can be accessed.

    Ask ANY P.I., info is far easier to find with the internet than before.
     
  18. rob lay

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    I remember a little what you went through. Your full name was posted, pics of you were posted, and you talking about your Ferraris. Your problems would have happened whether you had some pics with your license plate or not (I'm not sure you ever did).

    Every other day I help users out cleaning up a post with their name that is showing up on Google. I certainly understand that 100%. Although I usually comply, I'm 2nd guessing all the license plate requests.
     
  19. TheMayor

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    How?

    I can understand the user name issue but how does a license plate posted on a chat site mean anything to anyone? They don't know you. Aside from Texas and a few other states, its hidden information that you can't get.

    I can make up several "Ferrari" plate names on this same site and most of them come up with something. So, is having a plate that somehow relates to Ferrari a risk to your safety?

    And, would you not post anything on Facebook about your car or your house or where you go on vacation? Would you never go to any events with your car for fear someone would take down your license plate? If people want to find you, they will find you.

    I'm trying to figure out why something that is in the public eye is someone anymore dangerous than it being posted by some enthusiast and putting it on any number of car enthusiast sites.
     
  20. GrigioGuy

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    The difference is that when one is out and about, the chances of people writing the plate number down and deciding to follow up on that number is minimal. When a photo is permanently archived on the 'net, the odds of someone with malicious tendencies and excess free time coming across that number is much, much higher.
     
  21. rob lay

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    driving around is minimal, parked in public less minimal. heck, park at a Boardwalk car show and 2 days later receive unsolicited mail for highline insurance. :D
     
  22. tx246

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    When you have someone showing up at your door because they think they are owed something, and they are clearly delusional, you will understand. Better yet, have your wife/family assaulted, your vehicles damaged, your home damaged etc. And the person doing so doesn't have anything to go after other than prosecuting them. That makes you feel real safe.

    Having VERY EASY access to run plates only complicates the issue.

    If I was making the rules, it would be:

    If you post your own plate....Your problem (AND I HAVE DONE THIS, no one to blame but me)

    If someone posts a plate of a car other than theirs and without OWNERS permission, it should be blanked out.

    How Rob, or anyone else, could ever enforce this, not a clue and I don't think it should be the responsibilty of the Web Master to do so. I think it should be a "common practice" agreed to by a user in terms of posting. Yes, pics will still hit the web, but at least the Web Master has a way out. Hopefully Moderators will enforce and we all move on down the road.......at least in a hypothetical sense.......
     
  23. TheMayor

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    Ok... let me get this straight.

    I drive around town in my F car and I don't need to worry about someone trying to get information about me.

    I park it at a hotel or to a restaurant or a shopping mall and thousands walk by it, I don't need to worry about someone trying to get information about me. (Ironically, a valet could just open the glove box and get about everything but that's another story...)

    And, if I go to car show and people take pictures of my car and they will end up on facebook or who knows where -- or they ask to take a picture at a gas station which happens to me all the time --- I don't need to worry.

    But, if I post it on an enthusiast website, I need to worry about someone trying to get information about me.

    Make any sense?
     
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    It's about reducing vectors of damage.

    Do you lock your house's front door even though the windows ultimately can be breached? Why?
     
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