1.6L V6 turbo engines

I know the cars will be fast, and more Eco-friendly, and have seen the turbo era first hand, but I'm not looking forward to this era.....the sound, and more importantly the look of the F1 cars with high air box is what I'll miss a lot......

I'll still follow F1, but I'm really not excited about this at all.....


BTW - is Kers part of this? I think that is useless currently, it does nothing to improve racing, even if it gets translated to road cars.....


Kevin

 

Yep. Here (once again ) is the relevant section of the regs;

Seems 5.1.9 covers your question.....

?? Interesting. There's nothing in the rules saying "no" as far as I can see.... But why?

Cheers,
Ian

 

Ian, 5.1.9 effectively bans the BMW idea, as the exhaust is not permitted within the V. It would make no sense to have the turbo(s) in the middle of the V if the exhaust was still on the outside of the heads as the exhaust manifolds would be too long.

Basically the rules are silly as having a single turbo in the middle of the V would be far better for a high revving F1 engine. Now they are forced (probably) to run 2 turbos ... all that extra pumping and weight. Turbo lag from a single bigger turbo is not an issue surely with 7 speed gearboxes and ideal ratios, so real pity.

Personally this over regulation is killing F1.
Pete

 

As per the rules posted by Ian they will be single turbo "by the use of a sole single stage compressor".

Pete,

I'm in full agreement with you on this

 

Face facts people - F1 is an evolutionary sport!

As the World moves on - so does F1!

It cannot claim to be at the forefront of technology if it ignores the changing World!

Like it or not, the future of almost all cars (in the short term), is KERS and Turbo technology! (don't believe Me? - take a look at BMW's increased use of Turbo engines in it's road cars for a start).

Pretty soon, Ferrari will also be using Turbo's on it's production car engines because it gives the best compromise between emissions and performance and it will incorporate a road going version of KERS for similar reasons.

When it comes to automobile technology, F1 must always lead - it can never follow or be left behind!

How bad would it look for F1 to still be using (comparatively) large capacity, normally aspirated engines whilst road cars were utilising smaller capacity turbo engines?

The same old complaints crop up every time F1 moves on:

"The cars won't be as exciting to watch!"
"They wont sound as good!"
"This is going to kill F1!"

It happened when the 1.5 turbo's took over from the old V8 and V12's.

Then the Turbo's were outlawed in favour of normally aspirated 3.5 V8/V10/V12's and the loss of the Turbo's caused an outcry.

Suddenly the engines became 3.0's and the V12's were eventually outlawed - general consensus? - outrage and a feeling of mourning for the loss of the V12's, but V10's took over the sport.

Once again though, the power of the engines was getting too much and so shock of all shocks! - 2.4 V8's were introduced (again to the cries of: "This isn't what F1 is about!" and: " It's the death knell of F1!").

Now it's time to move on again and the old arguments are being rolled out again.


Stop burying your heads in the sand people - F1 moves on! - it has to, because that's how evolution works!

 

Heh I don't have any problem with moving forward at all, in fact big fan.

But why not just have engine size and fuel flow regulations and leave the rest to the engineers. Why specify number of cylinders and valves, size of bore, etc.?
Pete

 

hooray...I was worried that I was the only one who realsied all that.

(not just BMW btw)

 

Best current turbo engine is possibly the new small Ford engines, the 3 cylinder (that won some award) and the new Falcon 4 cylinder engine. If Australians would pull their head out of their @rse and actually test drive the car they would find a BETTER car than the 6 cylinder car (according to ALL the reviews I have read) ... which has a dreadful full engine (and yes I have suffered having to drive a 6 cylinder modern Falcon ... what a cr@p engine). Not my sort of car though, I've just bought a Mazda 6 diesel station wagon, which is an excellent car.
Pete

 

I'm with you; just not really that excited over it....
Kevin

 

Essentially what the ACO is doing with LMP1 at LeMans. I really like this idea.

 

With a fuel flow limit essentially limiting the power at lower rpm, they just won't run below 10.5k rpm... ever... simple.

The broader torque range of the turbo won't be utilized, gearing will be closer and they will shift more, but the useful range of the engine will just be tuned above 10.5k.

Dumb rule..