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Guy in 458 Runs Over Cops Foot in NYC (bad move)

Discussion in 'New York Tri-State' started by M-Velope, Aug 5, 2012.

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  1. Ninja191

    Ninja191 Rookie

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    Living in NYC may give me some insight that some here don't have. In NY state, you have to have a registration sticker and inspection sticker in the lower left windshield clearly displayed. The registration sticker has plate number and VIN # on it. The 458 did not have these stickers. It only had a rear plate, and not BOTH plates that are required here. So the officer walks past this $300,000 plus car with only one plate that can't even be proved to belong to that car, so he starts to write it up. Here comes the arrogant owner (yes I said arrogant) who thinks he is above the law and does not have to follow the rules that every other common folk driver in this state has to follow. He gets in the car, (officer lets him get in probably assuming driver is going to get paperwork for car) and then starts it up to leave. (hey why stay? , tickets are for the "little people" ) Officer tells him to stop/shudown car. He ignores the officer's command and tries to drive away again. Hence you have the situation we saw. Was the officer a little overboard? Yes, But in the end the Arrogant F-Car driver perpetuated the stereotype that wealthy people feel they are above the laws of the common man.
     
  2. ducowti

    ducowti Formula 3

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    Incredible: a guy disregards an officer's lawful order and further runs over the officer's foot, and people (not just this poster) see the issue as not with the idiot offender, but the officer doing his job. Simply can't argue w.that logic, there's just no use.
     
  3. Hkpooh

    Hkpooh Formula Junior

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    yup if it was a 87 civic, this won't happen, cop would just shoot him. assault with deadly weapon? he is lucky that he didn't get shot.
     
  4. Hkpooh

    Hkpooh Formula Junior

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    no ****, if you want to be cool not to have your plate, just pay the fooking ticket. is $110 in NYC you can just pay online, you don't even have to show prove that you put it on. few hundred dollars now turned into a few hundred k lawyers fee. felony charges, gees.
     
  5. BartonWorkman

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    He'll get a six month fully paid medical leave
    for his pain and suffering.

    Suck it up New York taxpayers! Why's it cost
    $15.00 to go through the Lincoln or Holland
    tunnells now?

    BHW
     
  6. amenasce

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    Yeah, maybe they should send him to Guatanamo. He might have a WMD in the trunk. That cop was a moron. The driver was stupid but he wasnt confrontational nor was the cop's life in danger. Cops have way too much power in the US. Dont forget that they are human being as you and me.
     
  7. scudF1

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    I am with the officer on this one. The driver is an idiot. Period. The officer was doing his job and nothing more. You also have to look at it from a different point of view. Why did the driver want to leave so fast? The officer has to assume other things that we are not aware of. People who react like that, usually have to hide other things. Maybe drugs, other illegal things? Who knows? I am not saying that this is the case here, but also a possibility. For instance, when I get pulled over for any reason, even if I haven't done anything wrong, I always put my hands on the steering wheel. I don't want to give the officer any suspicions for anything else. I want him to know that no matter what I am cooperating and making his life easier. The driver in this case he did completely the opposite. The officer was forced to use violence. Did the officer fake his injury? Maybe. But again it was caused because of the drivers behavior.
     
  8. scudF1

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    I am with the officer on this one. The driver is an idiot. Period. The officer was doing his job and nothing more. You also have to look at it from a different point of view. Why did the driver want to leave so fast? The officer has to assume other things that we are not aware of. People who react like that, usually have to hide other things. Maybe drugs, other illegal things? Who knows? I am not saying that this is the case here, but also a possibility. For instance, when I get pulled over for any reason, even if I haven't done anything wrong, I always put my hands on the steering wheel. I don't want to give the officer any suspicions for anything else. I want him to know that no matter what I am cooperating and making his life easier. The driver in this case he did completely the opposite. The officer was forced to use violence. Did the officer fake his injury? Maybe. But again it was caused because of the drivers behavior.
     
  9. LI2782

    LI2782 Formula Junior

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    Can't argue with someone who refuses to recognize the fact that no one is defending the driver, just saying that both the officer and the driver were stupid in this situation. No one is saying that the officer was wrong for requesting the driver to stop. We are saying that how he went about it(intentionally sticking hit foot under an already moving vehicle) was asinine. WATCH THE VIDEO, he did't "further" run over his foot; The cop put his foot under the vehicle after it was moving.
     
  10. Richelieu Ferrari

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    There is nothing to argue over here. How dare that little punk walk right past the cop, knowing darn well he was getting a ticket, get in the car, start the thing, then try and drive off? One of the dumbest things a person could ever do. Nobody is going to get away with that. What did he think? If he drove away, the cops would not hunt him down? Yea, OK. You bet that cop was mad, foot run over or not. You can not pull this crap, period. That spoiled punk would not have had a chance in almost any other country plus they would have impounded the car and just kept it. It would not have mattered to him because he did not pay for it. He is lucky he saw the next day. I would like to see what would happen to him if he did this on the streets of India, Russia, or China to name a few. Whip his ass first, ask questions later. He is a nobody but thinks he owns the streets. Young brat has no idea how the world really works.
     
  11. up4speed

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    Couldn't have said it better myself. All these punks that think that they can do whatever they want have me so aggravated! They all "know their rights", They all do what they want whenever they want, even if it inconveniences the others around them (selfish), they have problems with authority because they were babied by their parents etc. Those same jerks never want to take responsibility for their own actions, they seem to know nothing about consequences!
    One sure way to take some punk and intensify what I wrote above......add money to the mix. Now he feels unstoppable, and better than everyone else. That kid needed a beating from his parents when he was younger.
    All that said, I'm also disapointed in the way that the cop handled the situation. I hate to play Monday morning quarterback because I wasn't on the scene to experience what he was experiencing. There is a lot missing from the video. You don't know what took place before the video turned on (obviously something, otherwise the video wouldn't be on in the first place...right?). You also don't know what he said to the cop, we can't see his body language, we don't know if the cop was in "alert" mode because he saw or sensed something. etc. What I do know, is that I'm upset that he put his body in fron of a car that was running! He should NEVER put himself in a position where he can be struck. That is inexcusable. Of course once he was struck, well, anything goes as far as I'm concerned. The punk gave the ok. That punk needed a wooden shampoo.
     
  12. PhilB

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    The driver was very confrontational - getting in a car that's in process of being ticketed, starting it and starting to drive away is very confrontational. If the car kept going, it could have easily dragged the officer. Driver totally at fault. He parked illegally, the car wasn't tagged, and then he went to drive away - driver was in complete control of the situation and the outcome.

    And police in the US pale in comparison to the power (or assumed power) of police officers in other countries. In a lot of other places the driver would not have been able to walk away.
     
  13. up4speed

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    100%
     
  14. Lambertpaat

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    Wow, this many pages for a foot? Hahaha just kidding.. But that's quite a rare event.
     
  15. Flywheel

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    And that is a good thing? When did the police force become the jury and executioner as well?
     
  16. LI2782

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  18. PhilB

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    Didn't say it was good or bad. Some people thought the police officer used too much force, it's relative, in some other locations more force would have been used, in some places MUCH more. The guy was lucky he was in the US, so was the guy with the camera.
     
  19. lor2435

    lor2435 Formula 3

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    This cop has some kind of scam going, write tickets, step in front of cars and just wait for some guy to be a big enough jerk to try and leave then sue him for "injuries"

    The driver was a jerk, no question, but there was clearly no injury here... Except for all the scratches and dings on the fcar.

    I hate politics but anybody who runs wanting police reform gets my vote.
     
  20. andrew911

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    a $10,000,000.00 lawsuit? I have refrained thus far from this discussion as both parties appear to be at fault to me (and while there are some bad apples as in every profession, I respect the police).........I still have to repeat that number though- $10,000,000.00! I understand legal posturing and the desire to force a settlement, but this is just insane.

    The punk in the car is wrong. The cop is wrong (he stood in front of the car!). The legal system is wrong. I presume the video will be submitted to the courts & there will be a settlement relatively quickly as both parties are at fault to some degree.
     
  21. FasterIsBetter

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    No big surprise here with the cop "contemplating" a $10 million lawsuit. He sees a rich guy with a celeb girlfriend and a very expensive new car, so when the guy hops in and starts moving forward, he sticks his foot under the front wheel, and then claims he was assaulted. That's exactly what the video shows. Sure, the guy was wrong in moving the car, but as he does, you see the cop move closer and put his foot in front of the front wheel. And all that happened was a little swelling and a bruise. Yeah, that's worth $10M.

    IMHO, this is nothing more than the cop looking for an early, well-funded retirement. I hope Brafman takes that cop apart piece by piece, legally speaking, of course. With that video, I don't see any way the cop wins a dime.

    Meanwhile, lesson to all -- If a cop is ticketing your car, whatever you do, DON'T move it. Take the ticket and argue later.
     
  22. ClydeM

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    Dont forget sick time while he tries to heel [sic] and permanent disability at taxpayer expense for pain, trauma, and the inability to work.
     
  23. jlonmark

    jlonmark F1 Rookie

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    Look, both the guy in the 458 and the cop are at fault. Both of them used bad judgement. Again, if you have nice things you become a target. Sure the guy should have sucked it up and paid the ticket. I'm sure this would be a lot cheaper than a lawyer, fines, etc. Clearly the guy didn't drive over the cops foot. And besides aren't they steel toe shoes? IDK. Long story short- the guy is a cop. Plain and simple. Not a detective, not a dr., not a lawyer, banker, etc.
     
  24. hotsauce

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    Both are at fault, but two things that will work against this officer.

    1. He knowingly put himself in harms way.
    2. He made no attempt to tell the driver that he was being 1. stopped, 2. detained.

    Just because it looks like he's writing him a ticket doesn't mean anything.

    Now that said, I'm pretty sure everyone here would have reacted a bit differently.


    Curiously does anyone have an update on the case?
     
  25. testdrv321

    testdrv321 Formula Junior

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    One of my employees was in a similiar situation in NYC about 2 years ago. He was in a spot at 2 miniutes before the time change and the traffic officer (not a full PO as was the NYPD person here) stood in front of the van so he could not move it until the clock passed the hour and then wrote him a ticket. I was fuming when I found out. We filed a complaint with the City who conducted an investigation and the officer was subject to disciplinary action. I don't know the exact guidance NYPD gives their officers, but I know years ago when I did some volunteer work with the local PD they had a training class and they made it quite clear never to stand in front of or behind a vehicle during a traffic stop. The office clearly steps in front of the car here. Bad idea. As was mentioned, you have the plate, let him go and send the ticket in the mail. And IMO, the force used to remove him from the car was excessive based on the circumstances. The car was inching forward with no clear intent of anything other than to pull out. I am glad it is all on video. The sad thing is the only ones that will lose here are the tax payers.
     

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