Attention to detail. I budget a couple weeks for the job. I won't be working on it (or billing) every minute but it's not the kind of thing I would rush to finish. If you're in a hurry or are looking for a bargain, I'm not your guy.
And you guys wonder why most professionals consider this place such bull****. A bunch of armchair mechanics calling everyone in the business thieves. All the while hiding behind anonimity so we cant examine their profession.
Really? And what in your illustrious automotive career has led you to come to this ridiculous conclusion? Kai
Nope, but I will when it's due in 2015. Can you tell me why it takes 40 hours when an engine R&R is only 10 hours (allowing 2 hours for checking connections and bolt torques)? I've timed cams before, and it took me about an hour for a single camshaft, so I can't see how timing the cams would add more than 4 hours vs. not timing them. I fully expect I can get a major done over 2 weekends including getting the valve covers powder coated. So, if there's another 20 hours worth of work that I'm missing, I'd like to know. Here's what I've allocated: 4 hours for engine removal 2 hours to get the water pump, timing belts etc. off 2 hours to clean up the engine and engine bay 2 hours to rebuild water pump 2 hours to put timing belts etc. back on 4 hours to time the cams 2 hours for valve cover R&R (will have them stripped and coated between weekends) 4 hours to put engine back in 2 hours to check over everything. That's 24 hours. I'm allocating 2 hours to stuff that isn't part of a 'normal' major plus I added some fluff in there, so where are the 20 hours I'm missing? I'm struggling to think of anything that would take me 20 hours with an engine sitting right in front of me short of a full teardown and re-assembly. My injectors were checked and matched back in '05, cv boots are fairly new (2010), clutch is new, motor mounts are new, what else is there?
Good Luck with that! Anxiously awaiting your detailed write-up. My popcorn futures will go through the roof!
I'll be sure to update this thread in 2015 . Seriously though, where am I missing the 20 hours. Is there something drastically different to the 348 where the engine R&R on a 355 takes a lot longer? How much time does a shop typically bill for a clutch R&R on one of these cars?
Yes really. 30 years of Ferrari ownership and experience, plus 40 years in the automotive industry. What's your problem with what I said? Ferraris known for its high taxation.
I see. You have not done the 348 before. Your lack of direct 348 experience has led you to underestimate every single task by about 50%. So, taking 24 hours and multiply that by 2 would be about right. When you are ready for your engine out and run into a few glitches that are not anticipated, come on back and we will help you out with some hints. Good luck and my best wishes.
You are gravely mistaken on several points & please don’t use the words reliable & 348 again. It’s like jumbo shrimp, no such thing. I’m not getting into a pissing match on your post but I've had my car for 6 plus yrs as opposed to you justgetting yours .It’s the worst car I’ve owned & since due to my job I can speak from great levels of experience it’s the worst,yes I said the worst vehicle I've come in contact with & it is greatly on par with LandRover which is mass produced garbage,nah worse. Now I answered your post before & this is the last time. You show how little you know about 348's when you use the word.....reliable......its hard to type that word in the same sentence,quite painful.Every facet of the 348 is substandard,electrical systems,connections,charging systems,windows,fuel door,air conditioning & on & on & on....trans,flywheel,blah blah blah What drives down the value? a 300 hp car that costs a boat load to repair! That’s what drives the value down. More than anything I’d like to agree with you but its not true. My SERVICE was just done & after 33k & 6 yrs it was starting to fray at the edge. The tensioners were ok, the timing drive bearings were ok but none the less it needed to have the service done.Theses engine were not made to drive endlessly with out the service being done till 80k like a Toyota..wrong car. Next issue to clearup is you keep saying the belt the belt.The fences on the belt pulley need to be at the least checked, the tensioners checked,idler checked,leaks repaired which a ll falls under the “service” not just do the belt do the belt. That being said I do Love the car .-John
Sounds like you should do it yourself and report back. Until you have actually done it, all you do is hypothesizing. Kai
I think the problem he has with what you have said, is that you have implied that we, who repair these for a living, are thieves. Just because you have owned a few cars doesn't give you the right to cast such aspertions.
You are implying that its a rip off. You are not a Ferrari mechanic but are implying that they make money of unsuspecting Ferrari owners. Kai
I don't have a "typical" price but a clutch is one of the easier jobs. Only the bumper and muffler need to be removed first. After that it depends on what needs fixing.
I'm doing my engine out this winter. Going to plan on 6 week min to get things the way I want and done correctly. I already have a fresh powdercoated cradle and with new suspension bolted together. I never like to rush anything just do it right the first time
Wow, didn't know that would cause that sort of a reaction! Truth is, lots of things cost more over your way than over here - just remind me what you guys pay for medical insurance or college fees (though we're catching up on the second of those). I'm not an "armchair mechanic" myself, and if I did a major it wouldn't take me 40 hours - it might take a proper mechanic that long to put it all back together mind you. And I'll try not to be anomymous or hide - I'm an air traffic controller in the military, I've been an examiner for most of my career and have worked with your SF guys quite a bit on operations. Feel free to chip in on the pros and cons of this any time you feel like. I don't think you professional mechanics should have to legitimise your rates if people are paying them any more than Ferrari should have to legitimise recomending the engine comes out every three years and the belts are changed. Us owners can ignor the advice if we want, we can leave the belts for the next 10 years or do services ourselves. I'm not going to though. Regarding attention to detail, I couldn't agree more, which is why I pay a tad more than some do over here. I'm hoping I get that. The point is the servicing here is becoming what we term 'fixed price' - we're not charged by the hour it's a pre-agreed quote, but that obviously doesn't take into consideration extras that pop up. Got to say though, we're not talking about little backstreet dives here, this is a pic of the workshop I use. Obviously a set up shot and you don't always get a 288GTO, F40, F50 and enzo just sat there. That said last time I was in my car was between a couple of F40s, opposite a nice Daytona that had just been fully restored and there was an Enzo there, but you get my drift, not bad company for my little 348. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Hey SoCal1..... I presume you are talking about the entire frame that holds the powertrain in the car. Just curious why you're replacing the whole thing and suspension? Doesn't sound easy. I guessing the headers have to come off, among other things
Do I really have to explain that I ment some? Really? You thought I was implying every single Ferrari tec on here Happy now. Anyway back to the subject and there still is no one that has a belt snapped.
