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348 flywheel and Kluber...before it becomes a PITA!

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  1. bikz

    bikz Formula 3

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    #1 bikz, Oct 23, 2012
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    good day guys,

    I had initial starting problems (both cold and hot) and finally sorted it out....it was dirty battery terminals and bullet connectors........it starts brilliantly now when cold and at times when hot, it takes 2-3 seconds more for which i think it is the flywheel....
    on the trail of finding out the cure for the initial cold/hot starting problem, i had stumbled upon the "flywheel issue"....... my car has that distinctive "clunking of pebbles in a can" upon starting and shutting off the engine......it hasn't given me great problems yet, but i would like to sort it out before it does......

    i came across this thread and realise that Miltonian is the authority on this!! (according to my348.com !!!)
    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?p=135130442
    however it is not detailed enough for someone who wants to have a go at it for the first time and would like to ask for help if there is a picture by picture thread somewhere here to help me on how to repack the Kluber grease! i will be doing the procedure with a trained mechanic but would still need some guidance....thanks in advance.......
     
  2. Magnum6464

    Magnum6464 Formula Junior

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    #2 Magnum6464, Oct 23, 2012
  3. bikz

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    #3 bikz, Oct 24, 2012
    thanks Mario for the link.....how did yours go?
     
  4. stevew

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    #4 stevew, Oct 24, 2012
  5. bikz

    bikz Formula 3

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    #5 bikz, Oct 24, 2012
    Mario, i retract that earlier question above......i replied before reading that link you gave me and having done so, i realise you're the one who started that thread and its your progress!!!


    i'v got another question......which i kind of realise having gone through your thread.....my clutch is brand new.......its got about 3000miles since it got changed ......should it have the current problem (the rattling of pebbles or dilution of the Kluber grease) or was it because something wasn't fitted properly when the clutch was changed?
     
  6. mad dog

    mad dog Formula Junior

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    #6 mad dog, Oct 24, 2012
    When your doing the regrease check carefully the flatness of the flywheel as well, so many are badly warped.
    and also an issue we have had recently has been some of the voip top cases have been damaged by the clutch bolts digging into them. so advice to check for damage, which will need sorting, and if a problem the length of the bolts. pm me if a problem.
    also check the inside rim of the voip case. there is often a bit of a groove developing there from the large O ring.
     
  7. Magnum6464

    Magnum6464 Formula Junior

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    #7 Magnum6464, Oct 24, 2012
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    The rattle you get is kind of like a bag of rocks is the springs inside the flywheel and the grease making all that noise. Mine was pretty bad and did it all the time.

    After the repack, nothing….smooth, no more rattles or bag of rocks….ahhh nice and quiet and no more hot start problems.

    The clutch is another thing on its own and no, it’s not the clutch that was badly reassembled that is making that noise. The clutch is such a tight and precise fit that I would doubt it could be reassembled back together. Unless something inside broke like a pressure plate finger or a plate spring (thread #34 on page2) but I think the whole thing would have grenaded itself and completely destroyed the clutch and that you would have known (thats only my opinion).

    BTW, it was pretty easy but make sure you buy lots of rags and brake cleaner. Also, be careful when cleaning because you can accidentally throw away something like a spacer or plate when cleaning the grease. Rule of thumb, empty all garbage bags in your shop and put new ones then start your work. It’s easier to look through a clean empty garbage pail for parts you accidentally threw out with the greasy rag than to look through a garbage pail with 6 months of junk in it (trust me I know….)



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    Mario
     
  8. cf355

    cf355 F1 Rookie

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  9. mad dog

    mad dog Formula Junior

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    #9 mad dog, Oct 24, 2012
    Not quite, there are many similarities but the biggest difference is how the flywheel is fitted. You must not try the 348 trick to separate the voip case by using the bolts through the back. You need good bearing removal skills to get the flywheel off as its held on with snap rings.
    The inside is much the same.
     
  10. Magnum6464

    Magnum6464 Formula Junior

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    #10 Magnum6464, Oct 24, 2012
    Can't help you on that one...sorry

    Never took a 355 one apart.



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  11. bikz

    bikz Formula 3

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    #11 bikz, Oct 24, 2012
  12. bikz

    bikz Formula 3

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    #12 bikz, Oct 24, 2012
    Andrew.....thanks for the heads up......i will look out for all those issues......


    Mario once again....thanks alot.....I'm not going to do it in my garage but in the garage of my Volvo mechanic! (i don't have a lift at home plus he has much more experience!) so will make sure the bins are cleared and no Volvo parts accidentally gets into my car!! lol!
     
  13. F-car

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    #13 F-car, Oct 25, 2012
    bro, do let me know if your F happens to be in the workshop tomorrow or any weekend.. want to 'recky' abit the workshop :)
     
  14. bikz

    bikz Formula 3

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    #14 bikz, Oct 25, 2012

    not yet......definitely not this weekend.......just about to order some of the seals/O rings i need for this procedure from Ricambi..... maybe we could meet for dim sum on sat or sun? plus its not an urgent thing which needs to be done asap....prob in about 2weeks or so.......will keep you posted
     
  15. cf355

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    #15 cf355, Oct 25, 2012
    Good to know, thanks
     
  16. F-car

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    #16 F-car, Oct 25, 2012
    Noted.. Let's talk about dim sum Sat nite :)
     

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