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Anybody fixed the fuel sender?

Discussion in 'Mondial' started by RichardAguinsky, May 15, 2011.

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  1. RichardAguinsky

    RichardAguinsky Formula Junior

    Nov 12, 2007
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    Palo Alto, Californi
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    Richard Aguinsky
    As many of you, my fuel gauge is pretty much an ornament with random readings. It shows full when empty and empty when full. As the rest of the Ferrari owners, I just use the odometer and estimate the gas in the tank or top it off before heading off for a pleasure trip.

    I read many postings, I tried the Chevron cleaner, it helped, but it is still "wacky".

    Has anybody actually tried to "seriously" fix this? Has anybody found a replacement for the sender?

    For the QV and 3.2, it appears to be part number 132133. I could not find any cross reference part number to another sensor of another vehicle.

    Where is it located in a 1984 Mondial QV Cab and how do I take it out? I'll give it a shot at cleaning it or finding a replacement.
     
  2. Subito Grigio

    Subito Grigio Formula Junior

    Jun 2, 2009
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    I have the same problem with my 83 Mondial QV Cabriolet. Quarter tank indicated is EMPTY; half tank indicated is FULL!

    Thanks for the question. Hope someone has the step-by-step fix for us. jamtans
     
  3. RichardAguinsky

    RichardAguinsky Formula Junior

    Nov 12, 2007
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    Yep, same here. Sometimes it shows empty even when it is full.

    No response so far. I have been following the fuel tank gauge posts for a while. It appears people just live with this problem. I'd like to find a replacement/cross reference part number. The $245 Ferrari sender must be a $20 cross reference from another vehicle.
     
  4. theunissenguido

    theunissenguido Formula 3
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    Jan 21, 2004
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    Maybe its the gauge that is sticky. I opened mine and put a very thinny drop of oil on the turningpoint of the needle.

    Guido
     
  5. afterburner

    afterburner F1 Rookie
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    Jun 20, 2008
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    Mine works fine. It's sensitive to gs and attitude, but for the rest, gauge and warning light are consistent with actual quantity = it's not an engineering issue if your gauge is wacky. Find the fault :) Good luck
     
  6. Meister

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    #6 Meister, May 23, 2011
    Last edited: May 23, 2011
    Not sure if this helps.... but

    Years ago i switched most of my gauges over to VDO units. During that process, I replaced my in tank unit with a universal one from summit racing. I don't recall every detail, but I was able to take the new universal sendig unit, mate it to OEM ferrari mounting ring and install it in the tank.

    This is on a 308 BTW.

    Sadly my car has not been on the road in a couple years, but I do recall the unit and gauge working well. Sorry I don't have better details.

    I used something like this....

    http://www.summitracing.com/parts/VDO-226008/?rtype=10

    And my guess would be that you would have to macth up the senders ohm range with that of the OEM Ferrari gauge for the correct reading. IIRC I matched mine with the particular VDO gauge I used.

    Good luck
     
  7. ferrarioldman

    ferrarioldman Formula 3
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    Jun 19, 2002
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    *John Wolf Company
    Restores Fuel Level Sender Units for Ferraris
    36420 Biltmore Place
    Unit 1
    Willoughby, OH 44094
    (440) 942-0083

    They did one for me for a GT4. Give them a call.
     
  8. Consejero

    Consejero Karting

    Mar 15, 2004
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    Dallas, Texas
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    James R. Consejero
    In the process of fixing mine since I have the engine out...its in the rear right fuel tank, not on top as in usual applications.
    More than likely I will have to substitute it for a universal one if I can figure out the top and bottom resistance levels.. 0 ohms is full while infinity should be full? Anyway...will figure it out when on the bench...to remove you have to remove the coolant pipe going into he water pump and the fuel tank strap...my engine is out but if it was still in, I would probably drop the tank for access then there is no need to remove coolant, just undo straps I guess but I've never done it before so stay tuned...
    There is a locking ring holding it in place, looks like the only way to remove it is with a screw driver and a hammer...there is two small holes and thats it, no way to attach any other devoce or tool....wish I could post pics alas...i'm on my ipad and in apples infinite wisdom, i am not allowed to o that
     
  9. Consejero

    Consejero Karting

    Mar 15, 2004
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    Oh wow...ok, not sure if this is everyone's problem but here's what I found...taking the locking ring off? Pain in the ass but once its off sender slides right out...
    Turns out however that the sender mechanism is alright, no dead spots HOWEVER, the reason for the erratic reading is that the metal bracket that holds the sender and mechanism to the mounting flange is spot welded and had actually come undone so basically, the sending unit was floating with the float instead of the float moving up and sending a reading... The entire sending unit mechanism must have been floating.. Good to know...I might be able to weld it back in place if i can't find a replacement.
     
  10. Consejero

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    Mar 15, 2004
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    Part 3: also worth noting are the following...first, since the bracket is not making contact with the mounting flange except by random chance, the rheostat is not making (-) ground contact since the ground is mounted to the flange itself, second, I had this frosty looking corrosion all over the contacts, specifically the full and empty direct contacts...careful wire brushing with my dremmel I cleaned everything up, tacked welded it back in place and now I have what appears to be a working "home refurbished" sender.
    Stay tuned for OHMs readings...
     
  11. Consejero

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    Mar 15, 2004
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    Ok so I thought it was working and everything I said prior about the bracket being loose is accurate however, there is a small brown inspection window on the side, I opened it just to make sure my reading were ok and...it was destroyed...I'll try to post pictures, looks like I'll need a new gauge after all, if I can somehow figure out the ohm requirements for the sender I may be able to match it to a universal one...damn, I thought I missed the bullet but I didnt
     
  12. Consejero

    Consejero Karting

    Mar 15, 2004
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    James R. Consejero
    Finally fixed mine off a Mondial 8. I'm sorry to say that all my attempts to source a new part were either futile because its no longer made or price prohibitive ($749)
    Sooo.... I fixed mine. Took OEM sender out only to find that the actual mounting bracket spot welds had come completely off and the float was just doing that...floating in my tank held on by just the wires. After careful inspection, the rheostat was also gone.
    First I MIG welded the bracket back onto the mounting frame (round part) just a spot weld is all it took.
    Then the hard part was finding out the OHmS range of the existing unit since it was broken.
    Found out that its 33-240 ohms.
    Looking back, the hardest part was finding out that ohms range.
    Finding a suitable substitute in that resistance range was easy, however, finding one that also included the Low Level Fuel Light mechanism was significantly more difficult.
    Finally found a Fiat 125 (80-85) that seemed to be just was I was looking for ($45)
    Float mechanism is different and required bending and cutting of the wire to match OEM.
    Cut the old rheostat bracket about halfway to get rid of the old broken rheostat. I will be reusing the OEM connectors so off came the wires too.
    Cut the new gauge approximately at the halfway mark of the new bracket since it was slightly longer than OEM. Should note that OEM was a flat piece of metal rheostat bracket while the new one is a round bar-stock about 1/8" thick. I used my grinder to flatten one side of the round bar so it would lay flat and in the same original location of the OEM rheostat. Spot welded the flat metal to the bar-stock and soldered the new wires to the old OEM previously crimped connectors and voila! I'll see if I can post some pics tomorrow.
     
  13. afterburner

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    Great work and info, looking forward to the pics!
    It's nice to see people actually repair things :)
     

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