Yes it's #7098 . Tourist delivery (Aust specs ) to Gregory Nathan Sept 1973 . Maranello Concessionaires , Surrey . Australian complianced /73. Sold to John Hillebrand , Melbourne , May 75 at 2173 ks .Passed to his daughter 1985 and garaged after a few months at 29443 ks . Exhumed 4 weeks ago . The earlier picture was taken just before its hibernation . It's still very sound and will be sensitively recommissioned . We'll even try to save the original paint if we can.
fantastic, we definitively need more more pictures, worth a new thread I like the original flares on a GT and very rare..... regards Matthias
Thanks guys for the great pics back on page 11. I found a tiny chip in the red inside the door panel and found the green, and that's definitely the original color. Under the yellow, which is under the red. Most places were stripped down enough that you can't find the layers, but inside the door panels didn't get as much attention. I need to buy that book. Originality and only 3 made like it is one attraction, but I don't think the color suits me. Some future restorer can consider it. --- J.R.
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That looks great Steve ! Question, seems there is a heavy coat of gloss, after sanding it down will it come down a notch? Do you know how it came out from the factory as far as gloss on this color ? (Unless its the angle of the picture taken)
Big Red, No... It will come up a notch if anything. Clears are so glossy now a days. All the resin companies that the paint companies buy from to make their paint and clears from strive to out gloss the other guys' products. Back in the 70's the clears just weren't what they are today.... and you just can't get that same gloss any more. The UVs play a roll in all this as well. But if you were to use the old single stage metallics with no clear it would not be as glossy. Steve
Steve is correct in that the new paints have much more gloss than what the car would have been painted in originally. Moreover from factory the car would have been painted in a single stage lacquer whereas now we use base clear systems. If you can imagine before the colour was laid down in multiple coats to make up the full thickness of the coating. With metallic colours this means that the metallic 'flakes' are actually at varying depths. This, in conjunction with the differences in lacquer as a medium all around, resulted in a very different look compared to base clear (where the colour is actually a very thin layer topped off by multiple coats of clear). A base clear paint job will have much better edge definition but by its nature require much more diligent surface prep as the slightest imperfection will show in the final paint job. Base clear can also be laid down more evenly and is all around a better system than the more tricky and less stable lacquer finishes (decades of chemical technology advances can be thanked for this). The fact is that although lacquer is the 'correct' orginal finish, even the best restoration shops accept the modern paint techniques as their advantages far outweigh the 'original' nature of the period materials.
Not strictly true Rob. My guy has been in the paint industry for over 40 years on both sides of the fence having worked direct for Glasurit for 10 of those and much prefers to paint the older models in the period correct direct gloss. Having seen the finish he achieved on my Rosso Dino car I have to agree that he is right.
I believe that Dinos were originally painted with nitrocellulose lacquer. It is extremely delicate, and subject to fading. I don't believe that its use is even legal under current U.S. OSHA regulations. The gloss from the two-stage basecoat/clearcoat polyurethane paints is different from the original but, in addition to the new paint's greater durability, it enhances the appearance of the car, in my opinion. This discussion is somewhat reminiscent of the old chrome vs. nickel debate. That, however, was more of an argument over purity for its own sake. For my money, the high-tech paint wins the day. My Dinos have both been painted with it, and the shine never diminishes. Fred
Perhaps I should re-phrase myself as I did not mean or imply that base clear is the only or best system available. There is a lot of value in also using a single stage system particularily with solid (non metallic) colours and it is fair to say that for solid colours there are excellent arguments either way as to which system to use. What I meant to say is that there is no point using lacquer as it has many shortcomings that have been solved with the new paint systems.
Fred you are correct that lacquer is the original finish and that it is banned in most areas in the US due to its toxic contents. Yellow especially had a high lead content to the point that a gallon of yellow was much heavier than a gallon of any other colour. Where there is a misconception is that the newer paints are shinier than lacquer and that is just not true. Most people compare a new paint job with an old faded lacquer job but the fact is that new lacquer has a shine and depth of colour that no modern paint can match. Actually when you spray lacquer it dries less than shiny and it then needs to be buffed to the final finish. This finish though does not last and needs to be re-polished with more frequency than modern paints. That said a freshly polished lacquer car shines like nothing else. This is similar to comparing the warm colour of freshly polished silverware to stainless. Lacquer also has the advantage that it can be blended in mid panel perfectly but that is about where the advantages end. For sure modern paints are the way to fly (yellow that is )
I seriously doubt that nitrocellulose laquers were used on the Dino production line. American manufacturers had already transitioned to alkyd enamels before WWII and the next step was acrylic laquers in the 1950s.
Thanks Steve, good luck with the project. I am looking forward to the step by step to completion. I am very impressed with this color on the older cars now, the Daytona is another car I have seen in a similar color with tan and brown interior and the lines on the older cars look epic in these colors.
Polyurethane 2-Stage base/clears look milky next to acrylic lacquer. Sure, poly's glossy as lacquer, but renders tints like black and red milkier.
Rob. So correct. Your explanation tells me that you have had a good background in this trade. In the old days a nice lacquer Job was hard to beat. They weren't as much more work and they were very forgiving in all chemical aspects as well as prep. It allowed you to stack your base coats with clear and color to give you incredible depth. Today our hands are tied because of the Air Quality Management District (AQMD). The AQMD has changed the automotive paint industry forever. The environment is very important. The new technology is incredible including the water base and low VOC solvent base coats. Europe has been on this system for 15 + years. I agree, that you will see every little imperfection with these new base coat/clear coat systems if the prep for the new base coats are not done perfectly. To correct an imperfection takes a lot of time in repairs. That's why these paint jobs are so labor intense. Steve
All early 206s were solid color Nitrocellulose Lacquer. If they were metallic colors they used Glasurit ....I believe at that time it was a BASF company. For production purposes the later 206s and the start of the 246 line moved to the new system that Glasurit offered called 21 line,acrylic enamel a product that dryed fast and shined with out requiring buffing and if it was a metallic color it was called 54 line..one of the first base coat systems. 54line then was cleared with the new acrylic lacquer system. They had to stop the Nitrocellulose for health reasons.
Very interesting material. Thanks to all those who provided data. Is this group in agreement that the 11/14 post is Blue Chiaro? My car is currently "resale rosso" but was originally Blue Chiaro. If I repaint, I would likely try to return the car to the original color.
