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Time to sell my 1975 308 GT4. what it's worth?

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  1. rickjaffe

    rickjaffe Formula Junior

    Mar 6, 2005
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    Could use some advice:

    I've had my red GT4 for 7 years. I"m moving cross country in a couple months and I'm not going to take it with me. Trying to figure out what's it's worth for sale.
    Runs and shifts very good and it has some nice upgrades; electronic ignition (cranes); high speed starter, sanden compressor.

    I just put in a new interior with leather seats,(black with red piping) side panels, center console and glove box cover, new carpets (red) and new seat belts. it has aluminin (or whatever they use) pedals/footrest and gear shift knob (larger than standard with red etching.) it's pretty sharp inside.

    Just had last few electrical gremilins fixed (lights), wiring issues some other small stuff. Belts (and water pump) were done 4 years ago, but less than 2500 miles on the car since. Had the carbs redone a couple years ago, and I just put in new iridium plugs. It runs really good.

    Major negative is that it needs paint; call it a 5 footer. it also has bubbling on the bottom of the doors, so it also needs some door metal work.

    Car now has 65k miles which is high for a ferrari. It also has 16" BBS wheels in perfect shape and I also have the original 14" cro... which I'll either include with the car or sell separately.

    I have half a mind to complete the restoration and have the body fixed and repainted, but seems like that would only make sense if I were going to keep it, and I just won't have the room where I'm going.
    so what it's worth? I'm thinking in the 17-24 range.
    thoughts?
    thanks,

    rick jaffe
     
  2. jimpo1

    jimpo1 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I think a major that's 4 years old is another problem. It's due, regardless of how you look at it.
     
  3. Perfusion

    Perfusion F1 Rookie

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    So start it at $24k and take offers... I think it's time we stop beating our own cars down. If we want to pick apart an obvious disaster on eBay, fine, but to perpetually have our feet on the necks of our own cars' values by deeming anything short of a 95-point car a "parts car" is ridiculous.
     
  4. PV Dirk

    PV Dirk F1 Veteran

    Jul 26, 2009
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    I really have no basis for suggesting a price. The only thing I have to add is to market in CA. A 1975 is the last year of smog exempt. It will be an easier sell in CA than a 76 or later. There is a small market of people who are looking for a 75.

    Restoration will put you upside down to sell. Sounds like a nice driver.

    I'd love to see some pictures. I'd love to own a gt4 but sadly I'm not in a position to be in the market.

    For me, the miles are what they are, I don't think they will hurt the value of your car given that it needs paint and some rust repair. Sounds like it would be a great weekend driver for the next owner.
     
  5. rickjaffe

    rickjaffe Formula Junior

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    thanks, for the comments. interesting about california. it came from there.
    other than the paint, I finally got it basically sorted out. most people who see it say I shouldn't spend the money to paint it. looks good enough for a driver.
     
  6. thecarreaper

    thecarreaper F1 World Champ
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    Agree, post a few pics. Had a Series one USA spec 308 gt4 Dino and a Euro 208 GT4 Dino.
    ( yes "208" )

    edit: as i can never remember to look at my vin's in my own profile: 308GT4: *09362*, Euro Dino 208 GT4 *13648* ,
     
  7. Wonderbrad

    Wonderbrad Karting

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    Yes, no way to say until we see some photos. However, I would say your price range sounds fair to even a little low. Does the car have US or Euro bumpers?
     
  8. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 F1 Rookie

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    Yup, drivers, (that really drive) should be in the $25K area. Post pics...
     
  9. Perfusion

    Perfusion F1 Rookie

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    Exactly.
     
  10. rickjaffe

    rickjaffe Formula Junior

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    american bumpers. will put up some pictures later. thanks for the input. haven't been driving it for the last year, as it took a long time for the interior and sat for months while the electrical gremlins and other little things were addressed. I had forgotten how much fun it is to drive.
    with new paint it would be a really, really sharp car. I've got mixed feelings about selling it, but I've got a couple other classics which I taking which we've had in the family for decades.
     
  11. PV Dirk

    PV Dirk F1 Veteran

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    Where are you moving? When I purchased my car all I had was a carport at home so I rented a 10x20 storage unit and it sat there when I wasn't using it. I heard this is fairly common. I heard a story of a fellow who had a bunch of these units. He would drop one car off and pick up a car he wanted to drive for a while. He would cycle them out. If you have family classics you can't get rid of but don't use often, they might be eligable for the storage unit and the gt4 might be in your garage. When we don't use them we can forget, but what you have is a special car and from the drivers seat is reported to be one of the best 308s for driving and handling.

    I even asked my wife just now if I could buy another Ferrari if it ran well and was at the bottom of your range. I got the answer I expected :D

    $17K is a project car IMO. I agree with the $25K. There aren't too many of these that are on the market at any time, but as with all the cheapest Ferraris, it's hard to move them unless we drop prices. Might take a bit of time to get $25K but it should be worth it.
     
  12. Perfusion

    Perfusion F1 Rookie

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    I think therein lies the the issue - "it's hard to move them unless we drop the prices." There are too many "distress sales" happening over the past 4-5 years with the economic downturn. At the entry level of the F-car market, people were finding it hard to justify the $35,000 hole in the garage that needs $2000-$5000 infused every 5 years, so prices came down (or stayed down, in the gt4 and Mondial segment). If people could just collectively agree that these cars ARE worth more than current "low market" selling prices, set their asking prices accordingly and wait for the right buyer, I think we'd have something - not necessarily a run-up in prices, but at least a steady *appreciation* in value.
     
  13. Fave

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    yelcab F1 World Champ
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    In business, that is called collusion and it is illegal in the US. It would apply to car dealers as well. In private sales, there is not enough information flow among the seller to collude, but the idea of every seller agrees to a higher price lacks the essential part of competition.

    In practice with private sales, there will always be that seller who must move it because ... divorces, loss of jobs, medical issues, loss of interest, cheating husband (saw that), interested in something else, or pure ignorance such that there will always be someone that will sell it low and thereby set the low market points.
     
  15. George Vosburgh

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  16. ferraripete

    ferraripete F1 World Champ

    you have said it as well as could be said!!!
     
  17. ferraripete

    ferraripete F1 World Champ

    lol...i am quite certain a few 308 gt4 owners agreeing that they should not fire sale their cars and attempt to derive a bit of upside will fall well below the collusion test...lol.
     
  18. thecarreaper

    thecarreaper F1 World Champ
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    But there is a difference in having a car available for sale, versus being in wanting to / have to sell it position.

    Sometimes its best to sell the car for what the market will bear and move on.

    Winter time + economic post election uncertainty has certainly curtailed my spending until i get a feel for my future employment situation and the state of the economy. 1st quarter 2013 is going to suck.
     
  19. full_garage

    full_garage Formula 3
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    The problem with this car as far as resale goes is the metal.

    A little "Bubbling on the bottom of the doors" means a bare metal respray with (most likely) substantial welding to replace rusted metal. I can't imagine any halfway reputable shop touches this job for under $20K.

    With clean rust-free cars trading in the low $30s it makes these types of cars difficult to sell.

    There are always people who will buy into the Ferrari dream with their eyes closed, so there's a $22,000 buyer for ANY Ferrari...
     
  20. rickjaffe

    rickjaffe Formula Junior

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    don't agree with you on the paint. just did my 66 stingray which needed some fiberglass work. a corvette specialist wanted over 10. had it done for under 4 and it looks brand new, actually better than new. (but I had all the chome redone and also new glass so it was more, but the paint was under 4)

    also did a bare metal respray because of alot of surface rust on the body and with alot of metal work needed on the bottom of the doors of my 66 lincoln; whole 9 yards of cutting out and welding in new pieces, and that was under 6k. not quite show but very very good. seems insane to even think about spending 20 or evn on 10 for paint on a 20k drive. these are tough times for everyone and there are plenty of shops who want to stay busy. and I may do that if I can figure out how to keep it after I move. was planning on doing it but then the move came up suddenly.
     
  21. rickjaffe

    rickjaffe Formula Junior

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    don't agree with you on the paint. just did my 66 stingray which needed some fiberglass work. a corvette specialist wanted over 10. had it done for under 4 and it looks brand new, actually better than new. (but I had all the chome redone and also new glass so it was more, but the paint was under 4)

    also did a bare metal respray because of alot of surface rust on the body and with alot of metal work needed on the bottom of the doors of my 66 lincoln; whole 9 yards of cutting out and welding in new pieces, and that was under 6k. not quite show but very very good. seems insane to even think about spending 20 or evn on 10 for paint on a 20k drive. these are tough times for everyone and there are plenty of shops who want to stay busy. and I may do that if I can figure out how to keep it after I move. was planning on doing it but then the move came up suddenly.
     
  22. rickjaffe

    rickjaffe Formula Junior

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  23. Wade

    Wade Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Unless you're in the business those kind of discounts don't apply to Ferraris. Also, even the most famous of car flippers (Wheeler Dealers) had to do a full repaint on their GT4. Only a rust repair and touch-up was previously planned.
     
  24. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    I think you could properly fix the rust and flash in the paint, personally.
    That's how they fix damage in the Real World...


    I'd like the wheels, if they don't go with the sale.

    We are going to miss you (even if we have not SEEN you, in awhile!!)
     

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