Replicas....

You did ask folk on a Ferrari forum what they thought. That is brave but did you expect much different?
My opinion on buying a car or making a car or to be franky buying a bloomin washing machine:-
Ask advice if you really need it.
Take that advice and use it or lose it.

But most of all do what makes you feel happy and bolox to what your neighbours think. I have never, ever to date bought a car or household appliance because it made my friends or neighbours happy.

If you need the support and reassurance of Ferrari owners or anybody else then maybe you really don't want to build the replica and desire the real thing.

I also am one of those careful Ferrari owners who don't like to get it wet
Myself and my girlfriend are happy with the size of my penis and what I do with it
I'm also very happy with the mirror and that as many owners of replicas are posers as are many owners of Ferraris.

 

I wouldn't mind building a Replica like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz-IrhcNR4s

Who wouldn't want this?

 

Oh you can bet someone will have a problem with it. Haters are going to hate.

 

Only the elitists will have a problem with it. They will cry about how its not original and it won't retain its value like the real car would. But yet they will watch porn with fake boobs and butts, shop at walmart and buy fake clothing.

 

You've mentioned Wal-Mart before in the context of replicas. I have never shopeed there and never will. I'm curious about the point you are trying to make, however.

 

bait ....dont go for it Vskull

 

Relaxing on Sunday I was reading the funnies and I had a few thoughts.

1. If a person has the skills and a shop with the equipment to build a car, why would they make a copy of something that has already been produced ? Would'nt it be more of a challenge to design and build something that has never been created before ? Isi'nt that the true inspiration of what Mr. Ferrari and Mr. Lamborghini did, create something from a clean sheet ?

2. What will happen when all of the reproductions outnumber all of the originals ?

3. Should'nt there be car shows exclusively for originals and for reproductions and not shows where there are different sections for degree of modifications and classes ?

It seems that with 26 letters to choose from and the names of every town, river, mountain, plant or animal, it should'nt be that difficult to come up with a name for your new creation.

You might be surprised, somebody might copy your work of art.

 

I'm not trying to pick a fight. Everyone knows that Vskull and I have different opinions regarding replicas. That's okay.

I'm just wondering what Wal-Mart has to do with it, that's all.

"Skull" can answer my question or not, but it's no more or less than what I asked.

 

This is a sweet replica and one of the most expensive.
1959 Ferrari 196S Dino Fantuzzi Spyder Replica 2.4 Four Cam V6 ZF 5-speed Alloy

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1959-Ferrari-196S-Dino-Fantuzzi-Spyder-Replica-2-4-Four-Cam-V6-ZF-5-speed-Alloy-/370675710141?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item564dfe78bd#ht_40792wt_887
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an amazing a beautifully made car no doubt ...now i am not a hater, but i do have one opinion on these replicas, being not based (i.e. rebodied) on a real (registered) Ferrari chassis, and that is placing of Ferrari badges on the body
to me IMHO that's where the wrong occurs, it may have an authentic engine, look authentic in evey detail, but what's it registered as? it's a custom built car / replica, still not from the factory ....otherwise an amzing machine, and i'd be proud to own, but i'd remove the badges!

 

Registration may not be required in this instance.
I see on the bottom of the pictures it says St. Louis museum.
I figure if it was just built for display purposes and is a non operating facsimile.
Then it is akin to less than full scale static display models that people put in curio cabinets in their home or place in a plastic box on a shelf.
Maybe in the future when this museum gets a well endowed benefactor they can replace this object with the genuine article.

 

That's BEAUTIFUL!

 

Exactly.

Unlike the vast majority of replicas, this one looks very, very nice. (And, to do a replica to this level, it probably costs over 200k!)

Not a thing wrong with it except the "Ferrari" badges. It's respectable in its own right, but it's not a Ferrari.

It is, however, one I wouldn't mind owning. But, as you said, I'd remove the badges!

 

I think this is one of those instances where the term "reproduction" is perhaps more accurate than "replica".

 

Ill bite

I'm still calling BS that you've never shopped at Walmart. Having lived in Colorado for 25 years of my life, that place survives in Walmart! Everyone including John Elway himself shops there from time to time!

But thats totally off topic and not up for debate.

1)You'd think its that easy having a shop with all the tools and man power it can be done but the truth is even if I was to replicate a one of a kind hot wheels toy to a life sized scale it could cost me easily anywere from a few thousand to a few hundred grand, hell even a couple million! Bottom line Supercars are like Aircrafts, their development stages will bankrupt anyones budget.

This guy is pretty much doing a rebody Miata thing in his own garage using harbor freight tools.
http://www.youtube.com/user/baileyblade?feature=results_main

2)That has happened before. You know the Alfa Romero Carabo? Its a kitcar known as the Aztec 7, only 250 of them to date. Last time I checked nobody really cared except those who bought them. They turned out to be bigger headaches than some real exotics are

3)It depends on what car shows you go to. I've seen Replica's and originals together at many shows and cruises. Only elitists who cry and complain seperate themselves and start their own click else were. Its kind of sad when a dude like BillS acts like a true car guy with his Enzo, allows anyone including replicar owners to take photos of his car and such, has no problem with replicas, but a dude with a black 328 complains that its not a real Ferrari yadadadada! My guess is he's mad cause he knows his 328 is slower than a replica based on a Fiero or MR2.

This guy is kind of building an original and a replica at the sametime. Remember the video game Rage Racer? there's a car in the game you can't buy in dealerships. I really like the design cause it looks like a Countach and want one with a V-10.

I never understood this term especially it being used in the Replicar industry. Had Ferrari themselves started repoducing these I could see that term holding its merit as a repoduction. My book its still a Replica. Before Carroll Shelby passed away I believe he help started Superformance, that I can see being a Repoduction cobra cause the original composer was behind in on the relaunch. Its like year ones "Create Camaro" ill consider that a Replica based on first impressions.

 

I never understood this term especially it being used in the Replicar industry. Had Ferrari themselves started repoducing these I could see that term holding its merit as a repoduction. My book its still a Replica. Before Carroll Shelby passed away I believe he help started Superformance, that I can see being a Repoduction cobra cause the original composer was behind in on the relaunch. Its like year ones "Create Camaro" ill consider that a Replica based on first impressions.[/QUOTE]


Shelby had zack to do with Superformance, save suing them when they launched the coupe. Eventualy they came to some type of licensing agreement. The superformance GT40 is close enough to a 60's build car that it is arguably called a continuation. The Superformance cobra superficialy looks like a cobra but chassis and pretty much everything is different, so reproduction its not. To me a reproduction is a car that is a clone or near clone of the original.

The bugatti folks have no problem with repros or clones. perhaps the wisest words I read on this subject was by a Bugattista who said, its not where its built, or even when, but how its built and what went into it that counts.

Yes certain car snobs who want to keep up values of meuseum piecs and frown on new build clones. But realisticaly a new build clone is not cheap, and widens the experience for a larger audience, plus the old stuff has a;lread appreciated so much, does it really make a difference. in europe where perhaps there is more of a driving as opposed to showing culture, properly executed repros are well accepted.

If you think about pretty much every ww2 fighter flying today is only partly original if not a complete new build clone with old data plate. If the thing is built to orginal specs with original materials then its real, just built later so its provenance and therefore financial value are different. How many GTO's are even 50% original, and if they are, does the owner drive it as enzo intended. Repros clones or whatever have a good place in keeping the flame and passion alive for old car designs.

These are all mechanical objects built in series, they are all cloneable.
Yes cars are art and a 20th century mechanical expression of art, but by their very essence and purpose mechanical objects are series repeatable in a way that oil and canvas are not.

Now when you copy a shape, say a countach in fiberglass and nothing else is really lambo, then you have what is known as a kit car. Some complain about this destroying the desire for originals by making the shape more common. I belive ferrari trademarked the daytona shape after all those vette based plastic copis. Mercedes has done something similar with the 300 gullwing. But we can argue that the popularity of cobra replicas has probably increased the price of originals as an orginal is now a top of the pyramid purchase for some owners, plus the shape and aura have spread far and wide.

So if someone wants to copy a shape in fiberglass, the numbers are so small anyway, does it really ruin desire for the original, and building a kit car is far more acessable than building an entire car, just like building a model RC plane from a kit is far more acessable than going scratch built.

Let everyone enjoy what they do and can afford. yes a kit car with real badges is a fake, as is probably the owner, but as someone here pointed out 80+% of ferrari owners are fake poseurs who cant drive anyway, so they by a ferrari for some walter mitty fantasy, or to pretend they are racing drivers.

if you try a newer ferrari, its basicaly a power steering auto car as easy as an accord, with a nice body thats pretty much docile unless you really really stretch it,. nowehere near the skill or experience of a good cobra rep to own or drive. So who is the real car guy. There is a reason Porche and ferrari bland out the driving and owning experience of their cars, it attracts the poseur in the image of branded buyer crowd and sells more numbers. There is a reason why people mod old air cooled porches and build various replicas, they like the full on comitted driving experience, these are the real car people.

Look how many rolex's are sold, or breitlings(to non ww2 pilots), does a omega moon watch make you an astronout. In our fake manufactured image world people buy products to assocoate with image of... This is true for kit car owners and ferrari owners and porche aston etc owners. Real drivers should not fight over what the other drives and appreciate all hi po machines that are owned and driven with skill and passion, that is what we all share, not some brand certified seal of authenticity. As a car person and driver I have far more in common with a hard charging cobra rep owner than I do with most 458 owners.

the nature of the machine and the nature of its owner is what seperates the wheat from the chaff.

 

In a new book by Jerry Heasley called RARE FINDS he gives a couple pages to a Ford GT40 supposedly found in the mud behind a burned warehouse. He talks about how the car was resurrected but doesn't mention that, sometime later, someone melded the parts from that car (Chassis number 1005) onto a Safir GT40 which I consider a replica, though some think sine Safir licensed the name GT40 from Ford that what they built was a real GT40. I agree with you about the WWII example and go you one further--if a P51 was built the day after VJ day, to me it's no longer a WWII aircraft, just a WWII-era airplane that never saw combat (don't know if they used them in Korea...)
The guy who had the Safir bought the remains of the GT40 in the mud and now the car is valued as a GT40 though I say since the bulk of the car was built decades after the original GT40s it's a replica.
Just to see how tough this is to rule on, when I visited Lotus once they had stacks of Europa frames so if someone smashed up a Lotus they could order a new frame and transfer the undamaged parts to it. So would such a put-together car on a new frame be considered one from the original time era?

 

If anyone hates on Replicas they should automatically never have the right to shop at Walmart again, get gas or buy anything from 7-11 or admire fake tits. Thats all fake but we as a society have no problem with it. BUT OH WAIT ITS DIFFERENT! I'm tired of the double standards.

Elitists are almost always hypocrites.

Why hate because the paper work doesn't state its real? Who cares if its not valued like an original?

I can understand the crappy replicas and why people would bash those but the good replicars that are done right, better built than the original like what the hell is wrong with some of you people for STILL bashing on them because its a replica? Shame on you. I will forever call you out on your contradictions whether its because you got a cup of coffee at 7-11, or you bought food at walmart. If you wanna call people out on the fact that its a rebodied fiero then find at least practice what you preach.

 

Of course it happens. Have you been to the cereal alse in Walmart? I see it all the time with the generic brand Lucky Charms!

Don't even get me started on 7-11 coffee!

 

I always thought that the cars in rage racer looked like cars that were in dealerships.

Whereas the cars in car wars looked nothing like the cars in dealerships.
I don't remember saying that somebody needed to spend millions of dollars machining every nut bolt and screw from raw stock to have an original one of a kind creation.

I remember the burger flipping kids in the nineties taking an early 80's something Honda and completely changing it into something it wasn't before and one of the first things they did was remove the stock badging.

I'm sure quite a few of them used tools bought at harbor freight rather than from the snap on guy down the street.

By doing so they gave their ride its own distinct personality.

Building something unique is where the artistic value comes into play.

I feel that if you build a replica of anything, its not a Ferrari, Maserati, Porsche, Maytag or a Zenith.

Its a Dave, Tom, Bill, Rick, Fred or a Suzy.

 

So, evidently, Wal-Mart sells a breakfast cereal that looks like "Lucky Charms." Does the label on the box actually say that it contains "Lucky Charms?" If so, I would think that the manufacturer of the genuine cereal would (and should) file suit against whoever is making the copy of the cereal - because it's clearly a trademark violation!

I never, ever shop at Wal-Mart and never will, so I really don't know, but I'm guessing that whoever is making the cereal is not labeling it as something it's not. . . and that's where I have a problem with replica cars: Go ahead and build your copies, whether they're pretty good, not-so-good, or "crappy," but please refrain from putting a "Ferrari," "Lamborghini," or whatever badge on it if that's not what it really is.

I know that there are some replicas that are well made, and I even admire the mechanical skill that went into making some of them. Where I object is when a re-bodied Fiero is badged (or labeled, if you will) as a Ferrari. This has nothing to do with the relative performance, quality, or lack thereof of a Fiero; they may be fine cars in their own right. If you leave the "Fiero" badges on it, I have no problem what you decide to do. Or put on a "Chevy V8" emblem, if that's what you dropped into it. Or put your own unique logo on, if you want credit for building and/or installing the body kit. Do whatever you want, as long as you don't claim that it's a Ferrari. That's when I have an issue.

Now, please tell us more about the counterfeit coffee at 7-Eleven! I'm sure that you're the only one who knows anything about this conspiracy.

 

I would love to see what thousands of fake Cobra owners would put on their kit Cobra.

Rodney
(Fake) 308 - 1988 Mera Class winner 1995 Chicago Concours D'Elegance
(Real) 348 TS 1990
Wife has: Audi A5 auto V-6 silver/black
Other cars, truck and motorcycle

 

So would i.

I had a neighbor when I was a kid who was a master mechanic, former race driver, and motorcycle fanatic. He built his own tube frame and a body that resembled the DeTomasso Pantera. I don't remember what kind of engine he put in it - this was around 1973 - but he called it the "Fitzgerald," because that was his name. Cut out aluminum script that read "Fitzgerald," had it chrome plated, and that is what he stuck on his car. Knowing him, it may well have been faster and was undoubtedly just as well-made as a Pantera. He just didn't call it that.

I'm okay with that. His car was respectable - even admirable - for what it was. He didn't present it as something that it was not; he didn't have to.