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SRI Gold Connector Kit Install Issue - No OBDII Now?

Discussion in '348/355' started by RotarySwingGolf, Dec 7, 2012.

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  1. RotarySwingGolf

    RotarySwingGolf Formula Junior

    Dec 24, 2011
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    I've been installing the gold connector kit today and started with the motronic. After spending half the day bent over, I got all the pins swapped and started her up. I'm trying to trace down an O2 sensor issue and am doing it piece by piece with this kit. I already did the bad O2 sensor pins as well.

    After hooking everything back up and doing a "reset" by leaving the battery off for about 10 hours and then letting the car run for 10 minutes I can't connect with my obdII scanner. It just keeps saying no connection link or something to that effect. I've never had it say that before, so my question is is this normal after having the battery turned off for so long or did I screw up a connection some where?
     
  2. yelcab

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    #2 yelcab, Dec 7, 2012
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    That is not normal. You screwed up a connection somewhere. At least, check a fuse.
    And, you are descending into the abyss. The DME box has a hundred pins with multiple rows and it is difficult to figure out where things have gone wrong.
    Did you really change all the pins in the DME box?
     
  3. Kaivball

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    +1

    Kai
     
  4. tbakowsky

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    Or you removed the second ground at the obd connector. Ferrari had a tsb on this.
     
  5. RotarySwingGolf

    RotarySwingGolf Formula Junior

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    Oh man. Not what I was hopin for given that everything else worked and ran fine. Any idea which wires go to the obdii port by chance. Would that be in a schematic?
     
  6. RotarySwingGolf

    RotarySwingGolf Formula Junior

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    I didn't touch the connector port itself. What is the second ground?
     
  7. yelcab

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    My advise is to contact Dave Helms. If anybody has the list of what pin go where in the ECU connector, and their colors of the wires, Dave does. Since you bought the kit from him, he would be your best bet.

    My experience with the schematic for the 355 is that they are very hard to read.
     
  8. yelcab

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    Pin 5 of the OBD port needs to be grounded in addition to pin 4. Many OBD2 scanners have the cable that already grounds pins 4 and 5 together so the update is not always necessary.
     
  9. RotarySwingGolf

    RotarySwingGolf Formula Junior

    Dec 24, 2011
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    I've been able to use this scanner for the past year without any problems so I don't think it's the ground. I guess I gotta bother Dave again! This will be call number 2!
     
  10. SoCal1

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    Just go back take you time and verify your connections with an ohm meter
     
  11. RotarySwingGolf

    RotarySwingGolf Formula Junior

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    #11 RotarySwingGolf, Dec 8, 2012
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    To check with an ohm meter do I just unplug the harness and turn the battery back on and start sticking a multimeter in each port with one prong connected to a ground?

    Edit never mind. Google is a modern miracle. Will report back what I find. Thanks for everyone's help!
     
  12. RotarySwingGolf

    RotarySwingGolf Formula Junior

    Dec 24, 2011
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    Ok, I've checked all the connectors. All of the large connectors are fine. However, about 80% of the small pin connectors register nothing. I'm assuming this is because they are on switched circuits that won't complete unless something is turned on?? So, this would be ok? I pulled the harness apart and hooked up the multimeter to the back of the connector to make sure it wasn't just a bad connection to the connector on my part and got the same no reading.

    Man, I hope Dave is open on Saturdays! Want to take the car out tonight!
     
  13. RotarySwingGolf

    RotarySwingGolf Formula Junior

    Dec 24, 2011
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    Ok, after getting a degree in german to translate the wiring diagrams and becoming an electrical engineer, it came down to a short from a wire that was bent too much that runs the obdii port. So, good thing is it wasn't my fault as I had noticed the wire showing through the insulation when I started, but in me moving stuff around, it must have made it short, but at least all my connections are ok.

    To help those in the future who may have something similar, the wires for the obdii port are 87 and 88. If you look at the motronic connector (white plastic piece that all the wires feed into) it says the number of the last pin in each row stamped in the plastic. For reference, 88 is the very last pin. I traced these wires back to the exposed wire, taped her up, cut back some of the tape holding all the wires so it wouldn't get crimped again and we're back up and reading.... Reading the same damn error code as when I started!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    So, after wiring that entire damn thing, I got absolutely nowhere tracing down my O2 sensor errors! Does anyone know what the next logical step may be in replacing connectors in order of those that might cause the dead sensor error? I want to try the most obvious ones first rather than just doing everything at once to save time for now. I may end up doing everything this weekend anyway at this rate, but would like to save my back and neck and piecemeal it if I can.
     
  14. yelcab

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    First, good find regarding the short.

    Second, did you also change all the pins at the problematic o2 sensor?

    If yes, do you see 12V at the two black wires when the car is running?
    What voltages do you see across the grey/white pair of wires at the sensor?
    Trace those two wires back to the ECU connector, do you see the same voltages at those wires at the ECU connector?
     
  15. RotarySwingGolf

    RotarySwingGolf Formula Junior

    Dec 24, 2011
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    yelcab, thanks for hanging in there with me! This is a bit tiring but hope to get to the end of it soon.

    I did replace the precat bank 1 pins and installed a new correct o2 sensor from ricambi. I did this first before doing the motronic in hopes that it was simple and to try and do things systematically, one at a time.

    As for checking the voltage, I did compare side to side and they were the same. But, I don't see two black wires. The b1s1 wires are brown, green, purple and purple with black stripe. There is a black on the sensor cable itself running to the sensor, but only one.
     
  16. SoCal1

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    What we need to make is a breakout box for this car so we can check issues like this more easily



    Yes some connections need to be powered on to energize. I was referring to check singly just the wire harness pin in and out connector to connector just to check your work.


    You seem like your about there with this now. Just don't stress take a slow mythological approach and you WILL get it corrected and lean a bucket full of info.
     
  17. fatbillybob

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    It is possible that you had decent connections before the gold kit. The gold kit will ensure the best connections possible and reduce the ghost chasing we all face with these cr@pcans, but the gold connector is not black magic. You could have a real organic fault that even soldering the wires together ain't going to magically fix. cut the power do an ecu reset and then what are your exact error codes from your tester and maybe we can nail it down?
     
  18. RotarySwingGolf

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    After two resets, codes are exactly the same as before. p1115 and 0134. They pop up instantly. After this reset I haven't even driven it, just let it idle for 10 minutes and the codes are already pending.
     
  19. SoCal1

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    That blows.

    Unfortunately I have to run to the shop today, I like wiring challanges.
    Can you try to heat the car up and use your scan tool or the phone app "torque" to see if the voltage on the 02 sensors are changing. Once you verify this then I would trace this back to the terminals that go to the ECU. If you get the same changing voltage there then the issue is not the 02 sensor wiring. Could you possibly have the 02 sensors plugged in backward?

    Wish I could help more but off to work I go, good luck

    :)
     
  20. RotarySwingGolf

    RotarySwingGolf Formula Junior

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    Thanks for the help. The voltage does not change according to the scan tool on this sensor but does on the other 3. It stays at 4.35

    Sensor plugs are definitely not backwards

    Question. How would I check voltage at the Ecu? It has to be plugged in for the car to run to create any voltage no?
     
  21. SoCal1

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    My voltages change between .4 -1.5 volts on the 02 sensors Mine is a 97, 5.2 system

    I use the "torque" app. 4.5 seems high perhaps someone else can correct or verify this for you

    :)
     
  22. SoCal1

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    You would have to do a pin out at the terminal @ the ecu that goes to the 02 sensor. What I am saying is maybe the plug at the ecu is not seated correctly. Its small things like this that make your brain sizzle

    :)
     
  23. RotarySwingGolf

    RotarySwingGolf Formula Junior

    Dec 24, 2011
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    Ahh, gotcha. My question would be this then. When I disconnect the o2 sensor from the wiring harness of the car, I do get the changing voltages on all the pins and it seems the same as the other side that is working correctly. So, wouldn't it have to be the same at the motronic or is there an ecu in between that gives it its voltage at the harness?
     
  24. fatbillybob

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    voltage too high should be like a volt. codes listed are
    B1S1 as you know and
    heated 02 B1S1

    you can have real problem with engine running and be throwing a real 1115 code. Injectors and wiring to them can cause that. I'd run down to the smog shop and run a test to see what the CO and HC are. Gold connectors are not going to fix real problems. back trace your wiring and check voltage for the heater wires at the sensor as a start for 0134
     
  25. SoCal1

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    WOW that dont make sense can you sawp sides with the 02? Almost seems like the 02 is bad. Or do you have an old one laying around you can try to see if it does not spike the voltage to 4 volts on that side.


    You have something really simple thats not right either a wire swapped at the connector or a bad 02. Take a walk around the block then get back to it. You will get it
     

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