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Official 2013 car unveiling and conjecture thread

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  1. Ferraripilot

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    Indeed they have. But this is rumored to be pre-ballast.
     
  2. Fast_ian

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    Wanna take a guess as to how much they've raised it by?
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    You got it - 2Kgs! (640 to 642Kgs) Saves 'em having to make new ballast pieces..... ;)

    Seriously, I think it's a long shot to suggest it's gonna be a "longer" car based on that.

    When checking the above I also noticed this, which I hadn't before;

    That's a surprisingly tight window IMO. Will undoubtedly also bring out the "spec series" brigade too....... ;)

    Cheers,
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  3. GordonC

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    Interesting articles being posted today with the contents of an interview with Ross Brawn discussing the reasons for their slump. Lots of sites have it, so here's the Planet F1 link because I know how much people here love that site! :D He mentions Mike Elliott, the departure of former aero chief Loic Bigois, and more. Was Bigois formerly at Renault or Ferrari? Did he leave on his own to go elsewhere, or was he dismissed?

    http://www.planet-f1.com/driver/3213/8376585/Brawn-explains-reasons-for-Merc-slump

     
  4. Ferraripilot

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    Loic was essentially 'let go' but he was largely involved in the BGP001 design as well as having been with Minardi, Williams 2003-2007, then Honda. Believe it or not but He is now Ferrari's head aero guy! As of September. So he was picked up about as quick as Aldo Costa was by Mercedes post Ferrari letting to of him. Funny how these guys essentially just traded places.
     
  5. VIZSLA

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    Thanks.

    I'd never given any thought to what tire models are used in wind tunnel testing.
    Fascinating that Pirelli makes them. I wonder how detailed they are beyond scale size. Structure? Compound?
     
  6. Fast_ian

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    +1 We used to use a good ol' chunk of aluminum to "represent" the tires - Didn't flex a whole lot!.......But then, a rolling road was almost unheard of too....

    My guess is the only thing they need is the correct flex - Compound certainly doesn't matter, but "structure", to allow modeling under load etc is gonna be the key. I have no idea how accurate they can make a 50-60% model though.

    Gotta be honest, I'm not yet convinced that 60% is that much of an improvement over 50% either - The model's gonna be ~6" wider and ~10" longer. OK, that gives a little more room for additional sensors etc, but also needs a bigger tunnel so that doesn't mess things up in and of itself - I was reading the airplane guys on this a while back and the amount of "space" needed around the model so as to not introduce tunnel boundary effects is surprisingly large.

    And we won't even mention Reynolds #.......

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  7. Ferraripilot

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    More chatter and clever ideas floating around about the 10,500rpm fuel cap and how to harvest fuel while off-throttle so that unused allotment of fuel can basically be harvested and used when back on-throttle. The rules seems to be pretty clear about 'X' amount of fuel will not be exceeded above a certain rpm, but we all know F1 and their clever interpretations. If someone figures a way around this and can pump more fuel and actually make use of 15k rpm limit with making power up there, then they will have a championship car.
     
  8. Ferraripilot

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    Always interesting stuff Ian. My guess is 60% models are necessary now because these teams literally must be that anal to be aerodynamically competitive.
     
  9. VIZSLA

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    It's twenty percent bigger than 50% so its got to be better.
    The "it goes to eleven" school of thought.
    ;)
     
  10. DF1

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    #35 DF1, Jan 2, 2013
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    Happy New Year! :)
     
  11. VIZSLA

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    Back attcha.

    Boy do my Mayan neighbors feel dumb.
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  12. DF1

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    ...and with all that human sacrifice to boot :)
     
  13. VIZSLA

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    Yeah but that makes for some great block parties.
    ;)
     
  14. DF1

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    LOL!! :)
     
  15. Ferraripilot

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    That's it. Go to heaven for the climate and hell for the company. -mark twain
     
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    Who is heading the design of the F2013? I've heard some interesting stories from inside the Scuderia.
     
  17. TF110

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    Thats as large as F1 allows, is it not what Brawn said in the interview? May as well go as big as possible and it gives better correlation.
     
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    Shouldn´t it be Pat Fry?....what did you hear, Rory came back?
     
  19. Ferraripilot

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    I've heard nothing other than they have already assigned a group and group-head for the 2013 car, as have a couple other teams. I would assume Fry and Loic Bigios would be in charge of F2013. Rory was involved in the chassis design for the new Ferrari hypercar and that's the extent of his Ferrari involvement as of late, as far as I know anyway.
     
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    Thats what I've heard also....

    Seems as if the season just ended, and new cars will be shown in less than a month which is good for us. It would be silly to throw tons of $ for a car that will be completely obsolete at the end of this season so I expect the pecking order to be more or less them same.
     
  21. Fast_ian

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    #46 Fast_ian, Jan 3, 2013
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    Ooh - Do please tell....... ;)

    As for the chief designer, that's still shown as Nick Tombazis, but here's their release from late last year "explaining" it all;

    No mention of Pat - He remains "technical director for the chassis division", whatever that may be...... No mention of Rory either. :(

    Cheers,
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    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104906
     
  22. Ferraripilot

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    Ferrari ARE keeping the pullrod front end.
     
  23. Ferraripilot

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    Ferrari have a new aero guy from Mclaren, David Sanchez, who is working on new front and rear wings for Ferrari. I guess this means we should expect something different for Ferrari in terms of wing design
     
  24. Ferraripilot

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    Ferrari's 2013 contender is codenamed 'project 664'. Lots of organizational changes within F1 per Paty Fry in an omnicorse interview the other day. Nothing too specific obviously

    According to Domenicali the 2013 car will look considerably different than the 2012 model. To me, this means different sidepods with more standard F1 radiators. That would be major enough IMO.
     
  25. Fast_ian

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    You've still got that bug up your arse about these, huh? ;)

    You want 'em to stand the rads upright, correct? I like them canted forward as it *lowers* the CofG and gives a nice area for the heavy electronic stuff ahead of the cores.

    I also like that they're staying with the pullrod front end - I never did believe that was the root of their problems with Clifford.

    Cheers,
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