WOW.... isnt it a great feeling when youve built something totally unique!! what a machine!!!
Really appreciate all the feedback guys. So enjoyed doing this car so far... Few more pics that I forgot to post last time.. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Love it !!! My dream 360 !!! I would like to see future projects such as a manual Ferrari Enzo & manual 458 Spider !!! Now that would be something worthwhile !!!
Trev your car brought me to this site and I can't believe the attention to detail you've gone to on this epic journey. Congrats car looks AWESOME CL wheels - Amazing. Well done.
awesome, love all the little details!!! also ive just noticed.... i think i should get the ultimate lurker prize, member since 2005 and only 13 posts!!!!! LOL!!!! awesome stuff!!
I can't stop reading this thread.... so awesome what you have done trev! Let me know if you have any spare parts lying around you need to get rid of... I have the mod bug bad for mine already!
Quote from much earlier in the thread; Would you be able to do a 599xx type wing with this software? One that is open with certain parameters like steering input, speed etc.
It would be really awesome to read about the progress with this project & to see some new pictures if possible!? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
this thread has to be THE most impressive 360 thread on the site. I just am in awe in terms of what you have done to that car and the level of detail applied...most of all, the results. Has Ferrari reached out to you yet to become part of their consulting team??
Thanks Matt, very flattering. Loving doing this. Merry xmas and Happy New Year everyone! Now the next step is (as I always promised) onto the electrics. Its technically possible to replace every single ecu used with inexpensive, low cost and very low power microcontrollers of today reprogrammed to do the same job as what they do in the 360 / 430. While time consuming to do there are many advantages of this approach, not to mention inexpensive replacement parts for the future (!). The main advantages that I see is that once remade they could be substantially enhanced in function thereby 'upgrading' the in-life functionality of our cars. An example is the Suspension ECU.... Replace it with a new controller and we can adjust the maps ourselves (from our laptop, and later from my new replacement digital dash). Link it to a track via GPS and you could even "train" it to handle better on various corners with in built track modes that could be downloaded into it. Re-write the software to take into account the latest fast acting g-meters and it would work even better, faster acting. The lists are truly endless of whats possible. Only limited by our imagination actually. Imagine open source hardware and software controllers. Something needs to be done to keep our cars on the road in the future otherwise cars will be getting scrapped because of some stupid unobtainium ecu of some sort... One of the first controllers I will do is an inexpensive (less than $100 translator of OBD codes. Those cryptic OBD-II error codes that everyone hates because they get a dashboard CEL light up. Instead it will look them up and display the reason for the fault in English on some sort of plug-inable (inexpensive display). Even that is a major step forward from just some stupid CEL light of today. Anyway back to the thread. Let us today first start on Flashing the Ignition Computers. This is useful as you can upgrade the maps from the Modena ones to CS ones and also adjust the throttle sensitivity. Other useful features can include re-programming the CAT's so they ignore bypass pipes and don't trigger (or adjusting the sensitivity so they work with sports cats better). Other annoying fix could be to re-program used ecu's so they work without having to be 're-learned' on an SD2. The list really goes on and on why this is useful, not to mention twin super or turbo charger conversions being able to re-use the same ecu with larger injectors, etc. I've touched on this before, here's the detail and pics now (hope your following, its going to get technical....) ... DIY: How to "Bench flash" your Ferrari 360 Ignition computers Disclaimer: This is dangerous and could damage your car, you do any of this at your own risk. I acquired a spare ecu and experimented on that. You have been warned... Firstly I bought a simple OBD II to USB lead. (see pics) Its very cheap off ebay, about $15 usd. The 360 Modena uses a Bosch ME7.3 (H4 Variant) firmware that's easy to pull the firmware (software) out off using a backdoor mode reserved for engineering. Its called 'boot mode' - assuming you can work out the pin out (which is a bit of a pain) its relatively straight forward. I had access to the workshop manuals so I traced the pins. In total I found that 11 pins are needed to read and write the flash software from the Bosch Motronic ECU's found in the Ferrari 360 Modena, 360 Spider and also the Challenge Stradale. Here's my pin out that I used successfully; obd-ii cable to pc. run software Key: (+) to +ve batt (-) to -ve batt (K) to k on ecu, directly wired <----> to pin F53 (L) not req.d - unused. Power Requirements: 1. I used an adjustable Bench DC Power Supply set @ 13.5V (purchased from Maplin's). Just make sure its a reliable source of power that's noise free. Firstly these 4 pins must go to (ground) ; (-) F10 Boot Mode earth [Shorted or Not] (-) F24 Reference earth (-) F25 Reference earth (-) F49 Reference earth These 5 pins must go to (positive) ; (+) F15 Power supply +30 Power input (+) F16 Power supply from main relay (+) F32 Power supply from main relay (+) F47 Power supply +15 Power input (+) F48 Power supply from main relay This 1 pin is the (Serial Programming K-Line) ; (K) F53 Serial line K <-------- to USB OBDII cable ---------> This pin to the case of the ecu (L) F20 Serial line L <-------- to ECU case Ground ---------> Looking at the ECU (out of the car) straight on, its the 49 pin ECU connector on the RHS (just above the white sticker) that your putting your pins onto. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
I smell business opportunities for you Trev . Many of us will want to do this . Please keep us in mind when putting this set up together. Especially those who aren't mechanically inclined .
^^I agree with Don. This is an incredible idea! ...If you need any help from a (fellow?) Electrical Engineer, feel free to PM me! I've worked with Telemetry systems for the past few years.
Lets see where we get to fellas. Definitely interested in all the help we can get. Its a big task! I'd really like to give back to the community on this so the key thing I absolutely intend to do though is release the vast majority of the software and hardware design as 'open source'. Ofcourse optional add ons can be purchased and licensed separately (just like app's on iPhone) but the essence of this is 'free' open designs that can be improved on by anyone with the skills to do so. Prices will therefore be a fraction of what they cost today, even used. I will release all the gerber files, schematics, source-codes and binaries. Most will be hosted directly on git hub.
Wow!!! This is just fantastic !!! Thanks a lot for sharing this man! Can you also post all the tools and hardware necessary so we can star to play with this?
Best of luck Trev and thanks for posting your latest instalment. always interesting to follow your progress.
Trev I'm going to keep on pestering you. Please find it in your time to put up a vid showing of that exhaust setup of yours....!
Jesus ! - just when I thought there couldnt be anymore that Trev could possibly do.. as always mate, very impressive. There HAS to be a call coming from Ferrari soon surely....
This is an impressive thread...glad it was revived or I might have missed it! Just in time too, the pin out and flash work is pretty interesting! Great work on you car Trev, Paddles are for canoes!
Absolutely Brilliant ! Is it your intention to incorporate this function into your future digital dash ?, would it not be less work to do this with a low cost usb/OBD cable and portable device of some sort (laptop, android tablet, etc) and software that is already floating around the net ?
More updates soon... Sorry I have left it so long but the winter has been long and snowy... Well the dash is really coming on leaps and bounds. I have 50fps smooth animation working and the full thing is running Open GL ES (i.e. on 3D hardware acceleration) so looks just awesome. I will post pics soon. I think this may well be one of the most improved areas yet (in terms of difference!) and is fully connected to the internet In the meantime I wanted to do a few track days as the weather warms up and ofcourse my setup is too loud for most tracks so just bought an old 360 Challenge exhaust (modified with some bean 'cans') off cheap flea bay... Be interesting to see what db levels I measure with this one The titanium one is off the chart.. Yes I know its heavier... but at least it was cheap I plan to keep the Ti and only swap on an need only basis. Official gearbox mount looks nice and light though ! Image Unavailable, Please Login
