THE F70 (LaFerrari) Thread

Amazing in all respects.

 

When did you see it?

 

Has it got two different intakes for radiators and engine?

 

I have to agree. And it is a V8. There are some great sounding V8s but the fact is that there are MILLIONS of V8s on the road. It's not a bad sound, many love it. But for my million+ and change, I want something exotic, and that would mean the sound (I admit that to me the sound is possibly number 1).

V10s are more unique. V12s even more so, and the harmonics you get make the note sound like a chord. V12s generate the most complex, charismatic, exotic sound. Aston got it with the One-77. Ferrari gets it. McLaren does not. No matter how they tune it, this car will sound at best as good as a car 1/10 the price.

 

I'm sorry Mac lovers but no turbo charged V8 should be in a car costing over 1 million.

 

McLaren don't care about emotive stuff like sound, and neither will the owner when they check the lap time board.

I don't think McLaren fit in properly with the supercar crowd. I say this because I am absolutely sure McLaren will race the P1 somewhere, somehow (supporting a private team, maybe?).

Ferrari and Aston Martin with the One-77 have to care about sound because in the end performance numbers don't really that much. The "holy fnck, man that is cool" factor is more important.
Pete

 

So a million Dollar car should have an ancient engine?

 

I think you guys are missing the point. There are cars out there for everyone. What I take from most of the post here from diehard Ferrari fans is, looks and sound over everything. I think if that's what you want then Ferraris and lambos are for you. I think McLaren are making a car for those who just want a car that brings them as close as possible to the racing experience throwing caution to the wind. And then try and dress it up and make it look good enough to drive around town without blowing the eardrums of everyone around. I think, it doesn't matter if its turbo charged or v8 or twelve. As long as when anyone hears it they immediately know that there is a very special, very powerful engine in there that makes you feel that if the driver steps on that pedal, that thing will explode and take us all with it. A sound that turns heads, that freaks you out when you hear it. I believe, as long as a motor is tuned for some serious big boy racing, it'll sound just fine. That's what we all truly want. Our own real race car. My two cents anyway.

 

F40s and 288s have been over 1 mil so Ferrari lovers are out too?

 

The buyers may want a certain tradition. A company like Ferrari has a heritage and tradition of half a century. This is part of the expectation and DNA which defines their product.

There is a reason why a 21 yo is usually never allowed to become CEO of an extablished company. He doesnt understand the history.

You say that the buyer of the F70 wants "his own real race car". I'm not quite sure what you mean.

But I am sure that the buyer of an F70 isn't really looking to buy a race car.
He has the means to do that without buying an F70. He can buy a 'race car' already. An F1 car? Sure. A Le Mans prototype? Sure.

I think that an F70 buyer is looking for a Ferrari hypercar which shares the lineage of the F40, F50, Enzo. None of these cars were "racing cars". The exhuberant style and sophistication were tailored to meet the taste of the this rarified client.

No offense!

 

MSRP was not that high.

 

I own an example of both style engines. You can see a detail picture in my garage of my sand car. It has a 900hp twin turbo Chevy LS2. There is basically a short collector pipe for the exhaust.. That's it. It is overall very quiet. Under full throttle the intake makes as much sound as the exhaust. It doesn't sound bad... It just doesn't sound menacing even though its a beast and would annihilate the 458 in a drag race.

Then there is my 458 with exhaust slightly modified. It's a entirely different experience.. Addicting, loud and what an exotic should sound like! Going through the canyons the car just oozes race car. Down shifts are music!

I agree... It's hard to pass judgement on the P1 till its on the road but I assure you the Enzo replacement will sound as good or better than a 599 GTO!

Rb

 

It aint gonna happen, it doesn't fit GT rules, the only place it might race is the Nurburgring in the E1-XP class but even then it'd be a modified version. And McLaren doesn't give two turds about the Nurb 24Hr.

Still, the P1 sounds amazing to me, like a turbo Can-Am car. The F70/F150/Fwhateveritscalledtoday also sounds great to me, but in a screaming V12 sort of way. Maybe it's just the fact some people are so conditioned into liking one thing that no matter what they dislike everything else?

 

If I recall correctly V8s were produced before V12s...The first V8 was 1902 I think where around 1915 for a V12
So in fact the V8 is more ancient by your own words

 

And the pedant award goes to....

 

And in 1898, the first electric car was introduced.
Your analysis makes zero sense. V12s are simply not the future.

 

Correct.

When Enzo fell in love with the v12 Packard engine he made a brilliant decision for the time to push his engineers to make v12 engines the backbone of Ferrari.

It was brilliant for the time because back in the 1950's, engines used to fail a lot in motorsport because we didn't know as much as we do now about metallurgy. Actually many components used to fail back then because of this. Anyway, my point is that the small v12 engine had small and importantly light pistons and small and light valves and thus was very reliable and could rev harder than the competitors and take a lot of abuse.

It makes absolutely no logical sense to design and build a v12 engine nowadays. There is only one (debateable) advantage and that is sound, in all other areas it lags behind other engine layouts. Ferrari could easily make a v6 engine of the same (I personally think modern supercar engines are unnecessarily large) size that produces the same or more power AND would allow better packaging (and a wheelbase actually less than the length of the QE2), less cooling and be lighter.
Pete

 

Agreed --- as classics. Huge difference than a car now being made for sale.

The McLaren F1 had a V12. I don't care if people say they are "not the future". Not the future of what? Econobox supercars? Who wants that?

The Bugatti is $1M and has a quad turbo V16. The Pagani has a turbo V12. The new Enzo a V12 --- and the Mac? A turbo V8.

Sorry, doesn't cut it on a car of that price. Reminds me of the Jag 220.


Next you'll tell us that the 4 banger is the future. Great. Can't wait.

 

Support!!! Obviously, Mclaren put a tuned down track car engine(especially the sounds) on a road car is a little bit stupid. Engine from CGT, LFA and Zonda which imitate F1 engine notes always make boys and girls crazy. And that's one of the dramatic elements of Supercar!!

P.S. I know V8TT can make good engine notes as I have heard the MP4-12C GT3 ROAR!!!! in live at Macau Grand Prix, but the one on P1/___\

 

You said "So a million Dollar car should have an ancient engine?"

I showed you that the V8 is more ancient...

For Racing now days the V12 does not suite.

Fora high-end Sports or Supercar for the road its still relevant.

For the Future... 5 years and beyond (The ecco laws will put an end to it)

Sure im being alittle picky but there are alot who still love the V12 and will buy them and for a time we still have that.. The V8 is a great racing option and the next best option for the road but its days are also numbered

 

Look folks there were plenty of F40s, purchased back in the 1990s, at dealerships, with delivery miles, for well over a million dollars. I know, I have one. I also have my window sticker, and $385,000 in today's dollars is still pushing 700k. This idea that its Ok for Ferrari's to have v8 turbos but not McLaren is really juvenile.

 

You're looking through rose colored glasses.

First, you buy one of these super exotics not to run "the 'Ring". You buy one because it's special and extremely exotic.

Well, a modern V8 turbo is NOT exotic. A V12 or V16 is exotic. These kind of engines just aren't made anymore except in very rare cars.

You can't refer to classics in today's terms. How can you justify a 3 liter V12 in a 6 Million dollar 250 GTO? You can't --- because it's a classic.

My point is for a car of this price, you should expect more than just "technology". You should expect something more than a specially tuned V8 from their lower priced sister car.

Ask yourself this: Would the Aventador be a more popular car if it had a turbo V8 instead of a V12? No freakin way.

 

Agera R will run you 1mil+ and it has a TTV8...just sayin.

 

I was expecting from McLaren something like this: http://www.iacoski.com/wp-content/uploads/iacoski_mclaren_p12_front-side_view_uncovered_ORANGE_wing_engaged_1200px.jpg

It is similar to final product, but looks so more dynamic. And that rear wing looks so cool!

 

Look, Ferrari are all about bringing F1 DNA to road cars, none more so than their flagship. It's their biggest marketing angle and has been for many many years. That's precisely why they use the same V12 configuration. Oh wait a minute, that was the 90s...