THE F70 (LaFerrari) Thread

Not at all. It's set up is fully cockpit adjustable. These new Hypercars cars with active aero and suspension can change from road to track very easily. P1's wing is producing massive downforce. It's active aero, DRS and active suspension seems to be working very well. That reported time of 1:45 around Spanish F1 track is incredible. I stick by that the F70 will be more classically beautiful especially in the rear and that P1 will be faster, perhaps a lot faster around a track.

 

Jim, will you be in Geneva?

 

On similar tires? Or with slikcs/semi-slicks?

If P1 will have normal tyres, huge downforce will affect the tyres for sure.

 

It would be interesting to read your reaction in case the F150 turns out to be the quicker car...

 

Yes, I finalized the spec on my car whilst at Tailor Made when I was at the factory last week. The only thing left was for me to tell them what wording I wanted on the bottom of the steering wheel as I couldn't decide on the spot.

 

I did read on the EVO website that most of the adjustments need to be made by the dealer and cant actually be made by the customer themselves.

 

As someone who believes in the laws of physics I don't see that happening as I still believe that a car with a huge wing will be faster around a Race Track than one without one.

The last Supercar Enzo built had a wing. I think LDM should have allowed a
wing with DRS as in engineered onto P1 on F70.

Lets hear what you think. Do you think the F70 will be faster than P1's
reported on the McLaren forum 1:45 at the Spanish F1 Track?

How about at the Ring? Do you think F70 will be faster than P1 there?

 

It is a fact that the new Enzo will have a movable wing too, and as they say, an active diffuser on top of that. So, I wouldn't be so quick as to draw downforce conclusions without further knowledge of the two cars' design features.
Moreover, I am sure that Ferrari won't let itself be beaten by their ach-rival. Lest we forget, the MP4 12C was supposed to annihilate the older 458 and we all know what happened in the end. Now that Ferrari knows what McLaren is up to, one can be certain that they will at least equal the performance of the opposition. In a straight line I expect the Ferrari to be the quicker car, round a track a draw.

 

If the laptime is truem that it will be 5-6 seconds faster on a ~2min track then a GT3 car, then his laptime on the Nring will be more in the range of 6:30s then 6:50... which I highly doupt is possible on street tires..

 

Bench racing NS Ring times vs F1 track times remains silly.

You think the F70 will be "a draw" with P1's reported 1:45 around the Spanish F1 Track?

Your statement:

"It is a fact that the new Enzo will have a movable wing too"

is not true.

A wing where air flows on both sides is a LOT different than, nor is a movable rear spoiler. So far NO ONE has reported F70 having a wing.

Both will have active aero and double diffusers.

Enzo's F40 has a Wing.

Luca's Enzo and F70 have a movable rear spoiler.

 

A lot is reported. A lot less of what is reported is true. We shall see.

 

Why are people on here so transfixed about how fast these road cars go around race tracks? If Ring times truly mattered to people, this forum would be packed with Radical SR8 owners.

Neither the F70 or P1 are designed for racing or are being sold as track based cars, so rating their greatness purely on something that is not top of their design brief seems all rather odd to me.

Jim, would you stick a huge great wing on the P 4/5 just so it could lap tracks that you will most likely never drive on a few seconds faster?

 

How was your day today Sir?

Will the car be on display at the Museo from the 8th onwards? Not only during the unveiling?

Gr. Martin

 

On road cars huge wing is ridiculous. Driving like that around city would be silly (look at me, do you know how much down-force I can gain with these babies) LOL

 

Makes points with me. But some are really into this particular aspect. It is part of the package... just one part.

 

The car will be displayed in the Museo from 8th march to the end of september

 

Road P 4/5 has been driven over 2000 miles on many tracks including F1 Tracks and it has a much larger movable rear spoiler than an Enzo.

On P 4/5 Competizione we did add a large wing and that one will continue to be driven on both the road and the track.

The next road car we're developing will absolutely have a wing and DRS like P1. That one will also see road and track use it will be TT, VERY light weight, and based on our P4/5 LMP study.

The next race car we're developing for a venerable manufacturer will also have a large wing and may eventually be road legal as well.

I agree that the F70/P1/918 will be fast enough for most people who buy them but to say that many don't care how fast all of them will be around a track is silly.

 

They still don't seem to have the hood scoop right. On the cammo car, it was clearly visible under the mesh covering.

 

How is track performance not at the top of these cars' design brief?

These are performance automobiles, and the elements of automotive performance are improved most under the duress that occurs in a race environment.

The entire point of motoring at this level is speed, and speed happens most easily and at its highest level on a racetrack.

 

Thanks. Always good to know!

Gr. Martin

 

The Howareya outran the V8 Atom by almost two seconds on Top Gear's tighter/more technical course.

 

You think the wing on F40's look "ridiculous"?

 

Because these are road cars first and foremost. They are to be sold in every region in the world. Will have to meet all local road regulations. Will have to be drivable on real roads and have meet a whole host of road safety, emissions, noise and design standards.

Take a look at a detailed specification of the Enzo or a 599 GTB, then compare them to those of an FXX or 599XX. You will find that very little has been carried directly over from the Road versions to Track only versions.

 

I like wing on F40, its very well incorporated because car shape is designed to visually support that big wing. However, I hate huge wing on F50. I think F50 would be much better looking if he was like F50 GT - exclude huge wing on F50GT - http://bin3aiah.net/cars/makes/f/ferrari/f50/Ferrari_F50-GT_1998-8.jpg

Nowadays cars like 458 Italia or F12 Berlinetta have characteristic sculptural shape, and that kind of shape dont go well with insanely huge wings. I am talking strictly about street cars, racing cars are something else.

 

The FXX and 599XX are track toys not race cars. They're neither road nor race legal.

The P1/F70/918 are road legal and could easily be made race legal as EXP2 Hybrids and race at the 24 Hours of Nurburgring, the 24 Hours of Spa, and other races. Afterwards they could turned back to road legal configuration.


Your point still eludes me. Do you seriously think that people don't care how fast these will be around a race course?

If you're right why is Ferrari talking about how fast the F70 is at their race track vs an Enzo?