gt4 experts: need advise

Most obvious are the mirrors (not oem) and lack of duct straps on the air filter duct work. But some parts look very clean also. Paint looks fresh so I would check for quality of paint and and body repair.

 

Not digging the airbag steering wheel - where did that come from.

Cars always look good in pictures , it's up close with your eyes that you have to stare with it every single time you approach it that counts.

From here, pics look nice, check to see if the original paint color on this car is red , I think not, but good to know what the factory colors are of this car.

Good luck !

 

What popped out visually for me, was the misalignment of the rear license plate mounting holes in the rear panel. I'm pretty sure they were straight when the car left the factory. But the paint is pretty

Cheers,

Hank

 

Cars always look good in pictures

^THIS

 

- Series 1, should have Dino badge in front
- Bertone Badge on wrong side
- Engine replaced? Looks like a late seventies GTB engine to me
- Not sure about the steering wheel, haven't seen this one before
- Brown interior carpet so most probably other factory body color than red
- Interior remade in leather, looks good
- Door pocket insides missing vertical ribs texture, or was that only on series 2?
- Wrong interior lights in doors?

Price seems to be ok if the GT4 is as good as in the pictures and the PPI does not reveal anything funny. It has the correct wheels, looks as if it has been cared for and there seems to be one of the toolbags in the trunk. You might want to inquire about the engine though.
BTW, one of the very last Series 1 cars made according to the serial number.

 

What engine characteristic(s) make you suspect this? Seems OK to me for a US '75 engine as:

1. The dogbone mount on the 1-4 camcover is a separate piece (it's an intergral part of the 1-4 camcover casting on US '78-'79),

2. The 1-4 camcover has the extra cast-in mounting feature extending below the lower edge at cylinder #1 for the RH air pump (which is not present on the US '78-'79 1-4 bank camcover), and

3. The inlet on the air injection check valve on the 1-4 bank points to the RH side of the chassis (whereas on US '78-'79 it points to the LH side).

It is missing most of the air injection system, seemingly all of the fuel evaporation control system, the R2 point system, and the exhaust gas sampling tubes look broken off and crudely welded up -- so a bit of an exaggeration IMO to claim "EVEYTHING [sic] WORK [sic] PROPERLY" when a lot of it isn't there

 

You're right, i haven't checked out the dog bone mount. The engine looks quite clean compared to the rest of the engine department and the braces on the cam cover and the middle position of the lower Ferrari logo reminded me of the engine i have seen in a '79 GTB.

 

Well according to recent market place events if the car doesn't have a rebuilt engine, gearbox, cooling system, suspension and interior it's worth low 20's max.

34k it best be restored and euro.

 

You wont find a restored euro GT4 for $34k, not even for €34k unfortunately.

 

A lot of US cars got Ferrari badges put on by dealers per a Ferrari NA service bulletin. At this point it would be nice if it had a Dino badge, but it may have been sold new with the prancing horsie badge on the front. Or possible a prancing horse badge AND a Dino badge on the front.

I don't think so. That's the correct side for a US car. Were badges always on the passenger side (so left for RHD)?

Interior may be new, but full leather interior was standard on US cars. A cloth interior is very rare in the US.

My series 1 doors had no ribs. I'll attach a picture below.

I think so. There are virtually identical lights available from Porsche sources except they are black instead of chrome. This might be some of the Porsche lights. The original lights have a weak part of plastic that fails. I fixed mine but was seriously pondering the Porsche option at one time.
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Tough call from the pictures. IF the paint really is as good in person as the photos show AND the interior is really as nice as it looks AND the engine is good AND it shifts as it it should and looks to be in very nice condition overall then it is probably an OK price. It is high for a GT4, but you can't buy an average $20k GT4 and paint it and re-interor it and come out for less than this car. And that's their asking price, their selling price will be a little lower. I would say the price is probably somewhere
between "not absurd" and "good" but someone needs to put their eyeballs on it.

 

Hmmm. TAV 111 on the Ricambi America site seems to indicate it is on the left side of the car. Almost all of the GT4s I've seen have them on the right side. Ricambi's parts catalog seems to be a later GT4 (a non-Dino badged car, maybe '79?). Did it change sides during production?

Pictures from a period brochure below pretty obviously show the badge.
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A verly early factory bw shot in the Wallace book has it on the left side, same for some period photos in the Brooklands Portfolio. Another period photo of an series 1 US car in the Wallace book shows it on the right side, and my late unmodified series 1 EU GT4 also has it on the right side. So at least for the LHD cars it seems that maybe the very first cars had it on the left side and from then on it was on the right side, the badge position would thus be correct as you said.

 

There was whole bunch of tongue in cheek there.

 

That was lost on me, being a non native speaker but i got it now

 

Das ist cool

 

Engine compartment looks very similar to mine (10128), including the green clavis wiring cover on the wire to the rear coil, so it probably still has points. (Which is fine.)

I notice there is a cap missing form the vacuum line on the drivers side of the carbs, I think.

Check for rust in the trunk, the carpets have the same discoloration as mine and it's a problem back there.

But as others have said...you need a PII, they all look good in pictures.

 

It's always best to see it in person. You really didn't need our advice after all! (although I bought mine sight unseen and got REALLY lucky).

 

No such thing as a rust free gt4. Goes for all older Fcars. They're all pre-rusted from the factory. Even in the desert they don't stand a chance. Love em anyway despite their deficiencies

 

Pre rusted lol