P4/5, La Ferrari Comparo

Thanks. I wrote that one on the fly, but I had fun with it.

I mean . . . it is a car forum. What's wrong with a little car porn?

 

When I saw that Jim just posted a link to the entire F70 thread, I couldn't help from laughing.

I think P4/5, even being several years old, still does a better job of capturing what a car like his should be.

It really makes me wonder if Jim ever decided to retro an Enzo again, how many Enzo owners would convert their cars to P4/5 configurations. I know it isn't as easy as just rebooting it, but I think the number would be higher than Ferrari would believe.

The name, LaFerrari, is the worst name I have ever heard. As much as I think the design is cool, the name completely killed my level of interest in the car to almost nothing. That is pretty sad. I still am Amazed myself that my interest went to seeing rough sketches and being excited, which the design was true to, but the name.......

Not looking forward to all the trash talk coming. The fact that 90% of people on F-chat are saying they hate it is clear enough.

I think Jim needs take over from Luca.

 

Hmmm. Now there's an idea. He'd have to change his avatar. Not sure "Napoils" goes well in Maranello. Maybe he can be "Nello," like Carmello "Mello" Anthony, only for cars.

Sorry, it has been a 15 hour day with little sleep last night. I am a little punchy.

 

You must have forgotten about that fine GM moniker "Starfire"...
CH

 

I know. By Dino I meant a smaller packaged, "entry level" Ferrari. 911 fighter, 100 - 150k range? Lightweight, down to basics sports car?

Not a retro themed exercise. You can get as radical as you like. I had my fill of retro in the mid nineties and have no desire to revisit those times.

 

yeah some of the ideas are a little oddball.
Espera sbarro inspires me a lot.

 

The front of LaFerrari uses a lot of the F12 face. The large rectangular front vents are a reference to the ENZO design.

The shape of the lights are both f12 and 458 inspired.

The seam on the side is straight from the F40 and F50 and the upward curve shape of the side is a reference to the F50.

The rear end has elements of the 458 rear vents and the F12 lights and F1 light.

The upside down triangle shaped rear glass is a reference to the Glickenhaus P4/5

The side mirrors are a reference to the P4/5

The shape of the cockpit is a reference to the P4/5

Just my opinion.

And unfortunately I think the LaFerrari design lack focus. It is way too busy. There are good ideas but too many things being tried.

 

0-300 is traction and HP. Why? Our VMX is 233 MPH. Our Cx is 3. We have a lot of tire.

 

No doubt about it.
Touchy question, but do you feel even a little bitterness, that soon 499 others will have their own "psuedo/next gen P4/5"? What with the similar shape and KERs.
I might.

P4/5 is epic. A stunner. That will never change.
LaFerrari takes a similar shape into the next century, plus P4/5C underbody technology.

Just before dinner I showed the LaFerrari youtube intro video to my wife on the big screen. Her verdict: "That's ****ing hot".

 

This just cracked me up!

 

I feel fine. As you might imagine today I received a number of messages, emails and calls which made me happy.

Things fade but Passion burns bright.

Mr.
James Glickenhaus, with all
due respect to Ferrari/Luca the new F-70 is weak. Not to over emphasize your P4/5, they've had at the minimum since what is it 2005 to equal or top your Ferrari P4/5 By Pininfarina, and being generous a decade since
The Enzo Ferrari. In addition shouldn't they at least try and quad turbo, a Veyron Ferrari
Ultimate 280//400KMPH Super, Super Car? In addition your meticulous, artistic, paradigm/game altering designs such as the wheels
of your P4/5 by Pininfarina.
The P4/5 is the modern/forward design/engineering of a Bugatti Elektron ATLANTIC... In 100 years
Your car will be ahead of its time design aspects and not including $€£¥. monetary value. Does the future President of The Italiano Government think 7 generations down and say? Wow? With the F-70, FF, F-12, and what's next AN SCUDERIA SUV// SCUDERIA SALOON to compete with the likes of Aston Martin//Porsche//Bentley??? Sorry for the long post, the F-70 is about as amazing as SCUDERIA FERRARI's F-1 season
since RAIKONNEN winning then snowmobile race in 2007 dressed as a gorilla, and named
JAMES HUNT.. Maybe Nigel
STEPNEY IS receiving quid
Pro QUO to steal McLAREN designs and badge them
Maranello? His past role as
Traitor to Maranello in a conversely role??! All
The BEST!! BLESS mh

 

499 others will have an interesting yet inferior looking car.
James will always have the only one of its kind.
I doubt he will lose sleep over it.
In any case he has the means to buy one if he really wants it because these always end up on exotic car showrooms no matter what Ferrari says about it.

 

Those that knock Jim's "constant promoting of P4/5 technical excellence and superiority and it being the mother of all designs" obviously have not been involved with something of this magnitude.

Neither have I but I have restored cars, built my own club race car, etc. and been a design draughtsman in my past career and when you put so much into a project you of course make many decisions and naturally feel strongly that you are right.

This is where Jim is coming from and it makes perfect sense. Building the P4/5 took a long time and a lot of questions and answers ... most of those answers are still relevant today.

I hope Jim and his team move on to making their own car from scratch and I hope he does what Ferrari have long since lost their balls over, racing and winning at Le Mans.
Pete

 

I think it's to be expected that Ferrari use details in a supercar design that followed the Enzo and got an amazing response. P4/5 having influenced this new car is no surprise.

Comparing these two cars is a bit difficult because we must not forget P4/5's inspiration. Where Ferrari had to - in some sense - use bits of current Ferrari design style in this new machine, P4/5 was a clean sheet with a retro mindset. This new car has to both follow up on the Enzo as well as fit in with Ferrari's design language and last for the next ten years without aging.

I think it's sort of apples to oranges. Having seen P4/5 in the flesh, I can say it has a subtle yet unmistakable beauty. Classical design which entices. As opposed to the LaFerrari which will undoubtedly divide minds on it's avant-garde design, take no prisoners and tear off your sack while setting a record lap time.

 

I agree. Jim has every reason to be proud.
he commisioned a REBODIED ENZO. think about that for a minute.
He took the risk of taking apart Ferraris ultimate car and creating it in his own vision.
The sheer bravery of doing such a thing with millions of dollars at stake and then following up with substantial success is reason to be extremely proud.
He achieved a dream that just about every car enthusiast in the world would kill for and he owns a car like no other in the entire world.
Jim is a ****ing hero.

 

PF still has the magic.

Personally I think this would have been a fantastic nose for "La Ferrari".
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They're both stunners, but given the choice I'd take The Ferrari. However, given the choice of The Ferrari or building my own car, I'd build my own just as Jim did. The p4/5 is Jim's vision, mine would be different and probably not based on a past car, which The Ferrari follows more closely as though it may have some elements of other cars, none are directly copied, the overall shape is different and it stands on it's own where the p4/5 will forever be linked to the p3/4.

If I had a p3/4 sitting in the garage (or maybe a 412P, or even better both), I'd want the p4/5 over The Ferrari as that link would be too strong to ignore.

 

That is a "styled" car and awesome. I don't think though that nose would be pedestrian legal?

Pete

 

You may be correct but it does look cool.

 

Too reminiscent of the Mako Shark Corvette (front end)
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Looks a little like your Dino.

 

No. La Lancia.

Looks like a Statos. Actually, the most Bertone-like style I've seen in some time.

 

You don't need anyone to tell you that. It is quite obvious.

They really are the masters of Design. They took your desire and made a total Dream Monster from your Enzo. They took that design and went another level again. Breath taking...

 

Very beautiful indeed. PF always will have the magic..

 

I could see this being true. After analyzing both, there are various P 4/5 cues on LaFerrari.