THE F70 (LaFerrari) Thread

Reminds me more of a sea slug trying to be a Jetson spacecar, if I'm being honest.

 

La Ferrari Speciale?



-Gil

 

I hope the second version is a true mille chili

 

I get that Ferrari might have a large queue of buyers and high levels of confidence that they will sell all the cars. We've already identified the fact that Ferrari could sell a box with wheels to quite a large number of people, so long as it is Rosso Corsa. However to me 'sold out' means none available and clearly if people are still able to decide yes or no, then some must still be available. This isn't semantics, it's just fact.

All of my dissenting opinions are not rooted in my love for McLaren in my mind so I find it interesting that it seems to be projected that way in everyone else's. I can think that Ferrari are spinning the story to their benefit without the underlying suggestion that McLaren are somehow better being implied in what I have written.

Since you raised the point though - let me clarifiy:

If you look back at Paris when the P1 was first revealed McLaren did not say they were building 500 P1s, they said they would build no more than 500 P1s which is an important distinction. After evaluating interest in the car from the Paris show and on their US and Middle Eastern tours, and then juggling with the idea of profit versus exclusivity (the latter of which was big on the minds of the customers), they decided to settle on a final number of 375 announced a few weeks ago. Perhaps the mistake was not starting out with a low number like 300 and then suggesting they'd build more when demand increased above that, but going above your stated figure could be just as damaging in the eyes of some who justified their purchase based in part on the original allocation offering the potential for future value to be secure or increase in the car.

McLaren are new in this market and still in a learning mode unlike Ferrari who have decades of experience. They also don't have the benefit of having 1,000 people in queue ready to write a check for whatever new car they present despite having shown great long term success with the last one they produced. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

If you do look back into their history, one of the lessons they learned with the F1 was to make it clear the car would be a limited edition from the start. McLaren did not do that with the F1 and some potential buyers lost interest in the car, fearing another repeat of what Ferrari had just done with the F40, wiping out value for the car's early buyers by simply building too many. This was part of Nick Mason's justification for not purchasing a McLaren F1 early on, despite being a friend of Gordon's and loaning several of cars from his collection for Gordon to benchmark during the F1's early development cycles. A couple of years after production ended Nick finally secured his road-converted F1 GTR in a deal with Ron, feeling he had missed an opportunity.

Production of the F1 had already begun when McLaren's Directors decided to set the build target at 300 cars maximum in an effort to quell those customer's fears. By that point the economy was no longer in a place that would support such a high figure anyway so it was sort of a moot point, but that's how it happened. The partnership and later investment from Mercedes that began in 1996 eventually derailed F1 production long before they could reach that figure and we were left with ~100 cars. I am sure Ron remembers those early conversations though and from the start this time around they simply wanted to make it clear the P1 would be limited - no more than 500.

Now they have set the maximum at 375 units and I think they have done so after taking a measured accounting of demand and what they expect this current market will support. Ultimately they are producing the most exclusive car of the three current mainstream offerings now and that has the potential to benefit their ability to sell them - honestly I think they will sell every single one.

Apologies for the derailment.

>8^)
ER

 

Mr.Horacio is my friend knowing him all this years I can say he is not the new Enzo he is *Horacio Pagani* a guy building his own legacy.

not Ferrari or Mclaren ? im sorry to say you wrong the Mclaren F1 used a BMW engine ! its still king of the hell when it comes to beauty, engineering, performance and design !

i love cars in general and own few Ferraris , Bugatti Veyron and Mclaren hopefully soon the fine details and quality in Pagani Automobile is way beyond any Ferrari or Mclaren so far.

Mr.Horacio is the master when it comes to details and quality.

funny thing that I love when my Pagani Zonda F ClubSport needed an oil change I drove to Mercedes Benz spare parts bought an oil filter drove home ramp it and changed the oil myself..washed it and went for a drive.

Mbn

 

give u a pic.

I mean the design concept is inspired by the P4/5 not the 330p4.The most important thing is LF is the very first in house designed car,without PININFARINA,but goes to PINIFARINA'S CONCEPT.As a Designer,I would not do that...a Copy means not almost same shape,the LF gets too many elements from P4/5,they are perhaps deferent shape,but same concept,side profile,the roof and back view,etc.Maybe batter,maybe worst,but simular concept is there.
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The more I saw it, the more I love it!! Just like the Huayra, haters will become fans!!!

 

You should really stay off drugs...

 

this was also confirmed by a buyer that talked to the designers. influenced by P4 is what he said though.. (buyer is Futch(also an avid collector, recently added F1 GTR to his collection as well) at rennteam.com)

 

McLaren has a previous supercar? Oh yes I forgot it was made in 1994(a whole approx 80 units were made), nearly 20 years ago, yes I would have thought design would have evolved since then. I dont see anything of the Enzo in LaFerrari at all.

I would think design would have advanced more since 1994 than it has since 2002.

Am I the only one seeing 512S styling ques in the LaFerrari..

 

No.

 

OK then:

Hereby I, as an expert supercar design fan, can confirm LaFerrari has no design cues or influence from Pininfarina's P4/5.

Problem solved

 

I took the exterior sound clip from youtube and downloaded it as an mp3, then threw it into Audacity and slowed it down to x0.01 speed to try to determine how fast LaFerrari shifts. although probably not the best method, I got approximately 49ms shift speed, which would make it as fast as a modern F1 car.

I showed my work too

What do you think?

-mustafa
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If there ware not a P4/5,honestly,I would love the LaFerrari,it got enough DNA from Enzo and developed it to a higher level,more elegant,higher technical,faster...but it is just IF...

and I made a PS for LF, I think using the ALU-color wheels is a stupid idea...it's better with black wheels...
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I thought exactly the same regarding the mirrors....but I don't get how VW can do without them on their XL1. They just have tiny cameras outside and screens on the inside.

 

LaFerrari??

It sounds like LaFerrari is the last supercar made by Ferrari..

 

Amended.

 

Tru Dat.

I also very much doubt they'll be calling the next "La Luca"...

 

They could have taken so many nice names for this 'F70'
Famous Ferrari Racing Drivers
Racetracks
630 + xxxxxxxxx (P, GTR, or whatever)

etc
etc

In French and Italian magazines: La Ferrari LaFerrari
:-(

La Ferrari Pizza

You can see they looked at the past (classic racing) F models, 458, P4/5 (+C/M)
No problem with that. I still find it an E.T. car

 

Very nice record Ron set on the TG Track. 10 seconds under the last one.

 

I like it better than any other recent Ferrari designs. It has some curvy voluptuousness to it and the headlights aren't atrocious. But the name. Jeez. Can we all boycott what Ferrari wants to call it and refer to it as the F-70? lol.

 

This is why FerrariChat is beyond any other car forum
Awesome stuff.

 

Agreed.

 

Should have been this color from the get go. For whatever reason, the aluminum color makes it look bigger and heavier. The design definantly come to life with the black rims. Color the othe pics with black rims and the whole world will go, "oh..., I see it now!"

 

Spoke to a friend this morning that graduated in auto design from the Art Design School in LA about this new Ferrari.

His words, "absolutely horrible. If this were not a Ferrari, I believe we would see comments like "a rehash", "a bad copy of what Ferrari should have built."

He stated: "Ferrari took a look at P 4/5 and realized that is the car they should have built. They should have offered JG a ton of money for the right to use his design". He does not know JG.

As unpopular as this will be, I would agree with his observation. For me it is OK looking, but not at all what should have been for the next Ferrari supercar. Better than that joke Lambo, but not as nice as the McLaren. All that can be hoped is that in person the car will look good, just like the FF. FF photos made the car look unattractive, in person, not bad at all.