Rumormill: Honda building an F1 engine

Honda back in the talks... Things start to get interesting:

McLaren contemplating 2014 engine deal > F1 News > Grandprix.com

 

Done deal?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21655985

 

Paul McCartney is in F-1?.... Macca????

 

I try and stay "positive"..... It's getting tight, but *if* they're already on it AND Gilles Simon is there AND they throw much money at it, it could be done for next year. Remember LdM whining when Simon to PURE was announced - If he's to be believed, he had everyone's designs in front of him at the FIA. Plus, they're working within some pretty tight guidelines - It's not like they've got a blank piece of paper.

The 'box could certainly be an issue. But with Mclaren's resources, some CAD files and a few "dummies" to work with, not that big of a problem IMO. Cooling & energy store requirements etc will all be spec'd fairly soon, if not already. The MGUK & MGUH units may also be a challenge, but I'd guess that if anyone can, Honda can.......

FWIW, exhausts are just a black art that even the guys doing 'em don't quite understand - Ever met one of those guys?

Cheers,
Ian

 

+1

Love it! Hope Ron never hears you refer to his (giant) baby as "second string bush league"!

Truer words have never been spoken!

Cheers,
Ian

 

Ron knows my sense of humor.
He's not the prig most take him for.

 

I had the feeling that this whole deal was about rejoining with McLaren...

 

In 1080 this is a pretty special vid

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPONLgIrHKI]Honda F1 - 1980's Williams, Lotus, McLaren - TRACTIONS MOVIE 25 - YouTube[/ame]

 

Along with Lewis..

 

Holy cow it's a bunch of hooligans in a parking lot with Grand Prix cars!!!! :0

Look at how exposed the head and neck are in those cars - crazy. This was a special time for F1, as well as some tough years...those cars are beautiful IMHO.

Haven't followed the entire thread, but when I think of the resources Honda has, it would be foolish to bet against them. I believe strongly that if they wish to compete, they will become a dominant force.

 

While the deal might have enticed Lewis to MB I doubt that he drew Honda into the deal.

 

Honda turbo at the Oesterreichring 1987, the best quality video of a lap in the Turbo era. At this race the Mclarens were entering the Bosch curve at over 220 mph. No resting on this track, all out all the way. (commentator is a little off on the gear selection)

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxUXpnGI648]Nakajima onboard Österreichring 1987 - YouTube[/ame]

 

The MP4/5 sounds fantastic!

 

Amazing car, amazing era. Great video.

 

Err, no they weren't.......

220 KPH.

Rose tinteds maybe?

Cheers,
Ian

 

Going *very* slowly too IMO........ WTF?

The first guy was on wets.

The second guy was even slower.

I gave up at that point..........

Wanna see a balls out lap? - Here ya go:

https://vimeo.com/10427952

JYS -v- Ronnie at Silverstone was another, but I can't find the film - Anyone?

Cheers,
Ian

 

Damned metric system spoils everything.

 

6th gear flat out measured by radar in the turbo era 1200+hp in qualifying.

I watched the entire race live then and recently on YT, during the coverage the analysts clearly said that the 2 Mclarens were the fastest of the field entering the Bosch curve at 220 MPH! MPH not kph. The Turbo era was the most powerful and the fastest.

I attended many races then and saw what these cars could do. Similar speeds also reached at the end of the Mistral straight and start/finish line at Monza.


From wiki:

Österreichring track was known for being very fast, as every corner was a fast sweeper and were taken in no lower than 3rd gear in a 5-speed gearbox and 4th in a 6-speed gearbox, as well as noticeable changes in elevation during the course of a lap. Like most fast circuits it was a hard circuit on engines but more difficult on tires, because of the speeds being so consistently high. Many considered the Österreichring to be dangerous, especially the "Boschkurve", a 180-degree right-hand corner with almost no run-off area which, by 1986 when turbo's pushed Formula One engine power to upwards of 1,400 bhp (1,044 kW; 1,419 PS) in qualifying, had cars approaching at well over 320km/h (200mph).



Please read carefully;

Increasing speeds were also a concern at the Österreichring; during the final Grand Prix there in 1987 pole-sitter Nelson Piquet's time for the 5.942km (3.692mi) of 1:23.357 set an average speed record for the circuit of 159.457 mph (255.756 km/h).


160 MPH AVERAGE for entire lap, entered Bosch curve at 220 MPH


Get some new glasses 80's turbo era still rules as the best period of F1, drivers, tracks, engines, and the beauty of the cars

 

"forget everything after"

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWUo-IP1cec]Brundle Drives-1986 Lotus 98T - YouTube[/ame]

 

Just found this, wow, the ultimate candy shop

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y14eP4ClAlQ]? Jenson Lewis Senna: 2 Kids + 1 Amazing Sweet Shop! McLaren F1 2011 - Carjam Radio - YouTube[/ame]

I had been looking for this

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTO8I_jPWXU]-L. Hamilton enjoy driving Ayrton Senna car. - YouTube[/ame]

don't forget in these video's whether it's the Honda Collections Hall, Brundle at Silverstone or Hamilton, these cars are irreplaceable and old, they are not turning the boost up too far as they don't want to blow an engine or see it in the wall.

 

Holysh!et at all those Macs! Indeed the candy shop.

 

Vinny, thank you for the excellent write ups and videos. My favorite ERA as well, you should by the book the 1,000 HP Grand Prix Cars.

 

Fair enough. I stand corrected. However;

- Only very rarely have they been allowed to reach those speeds......
- I too (think ) I recall the era; While fast, the O'Ring was always the bridesmaid to Silverstone's bride when it came to *quick* laps. And I don't think they ever topped 220 at S/stone. (?)

Most powerful? OK.
Fastest? Not so much;

Fabulous! It was indeed a great era. I particularly recall Ayrton touching 180 (mph ) on the *pit* straight at Brands! Not the long straight out into the country, the little (blind) one heading into Paddock...... Awe inspiring. Not so much the top speed, but the speed at which he got there!

New glasses installed.

"Best", "Beauty", etc remains in the eye of the beholder of course.

Cheers,
Ian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F1_records#Race_records

 

Ian, you are one cool guy! Great Post!

 

That would be great.