Make that 13 more years for the wins. And at the rate he is going, he's making up ground faster than that anyhow. The all time pole record he could break next year already.
Um, these are 'numbers' not percentages which are sort of a key factor for records such as these. 16-17 races a season vs the 19-20 Vettel had to work with makes a massive difference. And the whole 'youngest' stuff is great and everything, but that stuff is dependent on factors such as the driver's car, and at what age they got into said car, blah blah blah. Who cares, he's German, I'm a good bit German, works for me. I'm good with him until he pulled this stunt, but let's see how he does in a 2nd or 3rd place car like so many great drivers did for so long. I'm not saying Vettel can't be considered one of the greatest of all time eventually, heck he might be already, but until he's run the field in a less-than top quality Newey machine I refuse to give the guy 'legendary' Senna or Schumacher status, or even Alonso or Sir Jackie status for that matter. Those guys fought/fight the fight everywhere. Let's see him run pole at the most difficult circuit in the world in his early 40s. That all said, everyone deserves a second chance and I hope he makes it up.
Been there, got the trophy: Monza 2008. Granted that car wasn't a 3rd place car. It was a 6th place (in the WCC) car. Image Unavailable, Please Login
It was a great race, in the rain, at Monza where downforce is just plain not that important. Would it kill everyone here to see him in a Mclaren or F2012 to really see what he's got in him? If I remember correctly be performed consistent with the ability of the car the remainder of 2008. Had Monza never happened would be just be another Algasuari? Same can be said for Senna and his famous set race albeit at a much more difficult circuit. Don't tell me you're in the 18% defending his actions.
You need to see him dominate another teammate to prove to you he's the real deal? Wasn't Webber very highly regarded until Seb made him look like a second rate driver? Mark
Webber was and ways has been a good driver but need regarded as a 'great'. And if I remember right, Mark pretty well had a handle on the season with RB6 not to mention Mark is not quite as fickle with his setup. Point being, I'm not about the lump in Vettel with Alonso and Hamilton or even Rosberg for that matter just yet. His career has been too charmed with ludicrous cars to draw any direct conclusions just yet. I've had this opinion for literally years now and it remains unchanged simply down to machinery dominance. F1 remains a technical exercise, drivers are to do a job and follow orders. I just hope for Seb's sake he's not branded for good now, I would wager he learns a substantial amount from this and it probably won't happen again.
Perhaps not the best example, but hey his old team boss at Toro Rosso (Gerhard Berger) said Rosberg is every bit as good as him so he must not be that great right? I can't see 'the magic' until he is in a lesser car capable of regular podiums and with a reasonable teammate. Last season, Alonso was *it* and if anyone deserved the title it was him. It went to Vettel due to machinery. Let's see him pull a fast one with a lesser car like Alonso. Don't misunderstand me, I like Vettel, he's just not 'there' yet.
Webber's not a reasonable teammate? Really? Hasn't Webber beat every teammate he's had besides Vettel? Vettel deserved the title last year. He had more points than Alonso. Case closed. Any argument beyond that biased at best. Three titles in a row. Enough said. What other "mediocre" driver has ever done that? Mark
Not according to the formula1.com pole conducted at the end of the year actually, it was overwhelmingly for Alonso, and I'm not particularly an Alonso fan either, he just did magic with that car and no one on the grid could have done what he did. No one, and he did it with class and dignity. Yes, Vettel won the WDC, but the real story vs what the points say are often enough two completely different things.
I do not think that would be the case if Kimi went to Red Bull to be paired with Vettel. The reason right now that Vettel gets some preferential treatment compared to Webber is just down to the fact that Vettel is a far superior driver. Kimi on the other hand would be far more of an equal and I don't think there would be any favoritism with a pairing of the two of them. Webber isn't on the same level as Vettel and hes not happy being shown up by the young kid and having to submit to him to help with the championship. I think Vettel and Kimi respect each other far more than Vettel and Webber do now. If Kimi was truly in a better position at the end of the season to win a championship being paired with Vettel, I don't think Vettel would have any problem giving him the help he would need. Webber is not a good team player as the second driver, just look at the **** he pulled in Brazil last year when Vettel needed to score some points to secure the championship, he tried running Vettel off the road and he also attacked him hard at the start of the race. I don't think anything like that would ever happen with Vettel and Kimi on the same team.
