F40 on fast and loud

Money is no substitute for skills. I don't know who that was but I personally
feel that four years of karting through my teens and some dabbling behind the wheel of some formula cars has helped me with a car like this.

 

The F40 has a little turbo lag, not huge.

 

Did it say that or did it say ''Richard is risking 400K''?

BIG difference between the two, as the latter can imply that he bought the car + the cost of parts is 400K all in.

If it is indeed the latter, they could make a moderate profit. But it'll be a very scary couple of minutes at the auction.

 

They typically can't find their asses with both hands.

I can't help but imagine something like what that other idiot threw together.

Future provenance should be an interesting read.
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I cringe every time I see that ....wish I had a spare 308! ....wicked waste!

 

Someone email,twitter, etc. this thread to the monkeys and see if theyll come on and speak their peace...

 

Guys, remember it's a television show. It is produced and edited by television people for the entertainment of the masses.

Don't get hung up on the stated dollar amounts.
Don't let facts get in the way of a good story.

I do know, for a fact, that on this TV show, that often the negotiations and acquisitions are performed ahead of time and the filming of the negotiation scenes are done at some later date, likely with numbers rounded dramatically and shaped to fit the story line.

Two separate sources who are independent from each other confirmed this for me, one of them was a guy who sold them a car, the other one I can't divulge.

One of my former cars was in the background of one of the episodes, btw. I sold it to a wholesaler the day before they filmed a negotiation, and my (now former) car was still out front when they did their "stand up" shots . Not a featured car but lots of background screen time. Surprised the **** out of me when I saw the place, and then one of my old cars on TV in HD, unexpectedly! haha

 

Def is a lot made up. I think itd be cool to kind of reach out to 'em though and see if theyd talk about the build process at all...

 

Or how about just letting them do their thing and just watch the tv show. They're doing their job as entertainers and I'm sure that everyone will be suitable entertained. I am sure they don't need the added nuisance of making a build thread where everyone and their brother can't stop themselves from chiming in with their "expert advice.". Besides look at Traveller's LM Resto thread. That thing is littered with ridiculous advice from people who have never even changed the oil on an F40, let alone rebuilt a wastegate from one, yet have the need to make their so called knowledge known and point out all their own experiences which have nothing to do with that car or project.

Trust me, the gas monkey guys don't need to chime in here with anything. Let them do their thing. From what is posted in this thread from legit people, it sounds like they're doing something solid.

 

+1

 

I don't know guys. I would follow what the Germans do with their collector cars; buy everything they can and warehouse it. History has a way of fading over time. You all may be right that "there is no money to be made" but I think that is left to be seen far into the future.
There may have been 1300 ish F40's but there were only 213 ish US spec cars. thats not very many.
brookedale
1991 F40 5018 miles
classiche certified and 100% stock

 

There is always a seller when the markets take a hit. Summer of 2011 the stock market takes a -17% dump and my seller drops his price from $675k and I buy it for $545k.

It happens

 

Weird stats; starting from different purchase dates

 

wow-so if we haven't changed our own oil we can't state our opinions?

 

I agree RS

 

I contacted Richard and asked that. This may also answer some other questions on how the car is going to turn out when it is done. Here is his response;

Thanks...
Can't post any pics or info because they want to reveal it on the show. Just know it is being done right and to spec with a lot of Gas Monkey flair!!

Richard R Rawlings

 

Yes but $545k in 2011 is much closer to the market correct price at the time than $675k, especially if the car has been in a static collection and needs a bunch of work to make it road worthy.

I'm not saying that prices don't drop at all but they're relatively small drops that tend to be somewhat isolated, as you said yourself, and they're temporary with cars like this. There are plenty of Ferraris that are fetching major dollars now that, in my opinion, are due for corrections that are more market wide and longer term. I don't think that's the case with the F40 and a couple of other Ferraris. Either way, I think that the days of $500k - $600k F40s are over for good cars. Again, I could be wrong but I don't think so.

I am saying one thing here: If you have no technical knowledge of the subject at hand, feel free to state and opinion but your opinion is completely and utterly worthless and should be judged as so.

Let me ask you this. When you need advice for work on your F40 (let's assume you actually drive it), do you want advice/opinions from people who have been there and done that or people who have only read about an F40 in magazines? That's the point I'm making.

If those guys come on here with a little bit of what they're doing (and why would they - that's what the tv show is for), they would essentially be creating a thread for just that: opinions from mostly people who don't have a clue. It's obvious that they have the right sources and the right people and are doing things in the right way. I don't see why they need to come on here and do anything. Plus it steals the show's thunder. Look how much people are talking about it now.

 

I've changed my oil on my F40 and done routine things like clutch and brake bleeding and new blowoff valves, etc, and overall, other than engine management that is wonky with 2 ECUs and 16 injectors, the F40 is a pretty simple tool. Any skilled race car fabricator should be able to fix the tube frame and suspension bits, as they are all fabricated from steel. It is just a matter of craftsmanship and knowing the dimensions.

Now some panels are glued to the car in places and the green adhesive would be hard to source, but frankly I suspect modern 2-part adhesives are way better than what was specified in 1990 and I also suspect modern carbon fiber methods and and the resin are better than the carbon/kevlar of the day, so I'd venture to say that craftsmen could make all kinds of improvements to the car in terms of material strength and weight.

I personally know some of the craftsmen who worked on this car and am certain they are up to the task of doing things correctly.

 

You left out that you also fixed the rubber in the fuel system issue, injectors, rails, and all...

 

Which is why it'd be cool to have 'em here if they can find time. Just ignore the stupid ?s, pretty simple process....

And after all they are in showbiz now and thus their success or lack of success is dependent on how many know who they are.......

In the end I like watching builds and I also like knowing the ins and outs(within contractual reason of course) to shows like this.......

 

Cool of you to reach out and cool of them to reply.....

 

I agree. I just thought he would like to know that his show was being talked about here because of the F40.

 

Actually I did not personally do that part, but it would not terrify me to do so. And if I was doing a hotrodded F40, I'd dump the exsiting ECUs, add Motec and use a single set of modern high flow injectors. I bet the 16 injector setup was due to the older technology that would not allow short pusewidths for good idle and part throtte, and still flow enough fuel under boost.

But for me, hotrodding the F40 is pointless. First, I don't think it is a good investment of money. Second, if you do want to spend money to go fast, just buy a purpose-built race car and be done with it - I have an SR8 that runs Formula 3 and Formula Atlantic fast and can have a passenger. Third, if I really just wanted street legal performance, the F40 platform is an awfully inefficient way to go about it. I'd start with something more modern and plentiful.

But I can appreciate hotrodding the F40, just out of my ballpark in terms of budget.

 

Go to ebay & type in gas monkey. They have an account, some of the cars on the show will be listed from time to time on it.

 

I think I have a match for the adhesive.

I kept a sample of some two part epoxy adhesive that we use in aviation composite repairs and put it against the F40. Apologies for the bad phone photo but it shows the match is good, remembering that the sample was made today and the car has been around for 25 years. The glue does go dull in service.

From the data sheet it looks like a good choice from a technical point of view.

It is Hysol EA9359 (made in USA) and can be cured at room temp or for better results it can be done in a car painting oven. It is easy to buy in small quantities.

As for the resins used, they were "thermosetting resins" according to the workshop manual.
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