tif12 loves Vettel because, per his age and what he's already achieved, he's the only guy on the grid that has a chance of beating MS.
True in all instances, which is why he gets to determine the rules. Were he and Mark equals, there would be no announcement like this. We'll see if the door swings both ways though. In the odd circumstance where Mark has an end-of-race advantage over Seb, will he be allowed to pass?
Because everyone is way to politically correct these days, and it's pissing me right off. No one can be offensive anymore. I'm also a pretty big Schu fan and I agree with Vettel's actions (one of the few that does it seems).
+1 I loved Jacques Villeneuve and Juan Taco. They never held back. Nor does Kimi or Lauda. My comments weren't so much whether one agrees/disagrees with Vettel's actions in Malaysia but more the underlying tone on how they look at him. Calling him a worm and hugely damaged reputation is so over the top that it becomes obvious there is another agenda than just what transpired in one race.
+1 I knew what you meant . Fact of the matter is, if Vettel wins the championship because of this move they'll call him brilliant (perhaps with the PC brigade, they'll still call him ****** right afterwards). If he had stayed behind and lost the WDC because of it, they'll call him and RB idiots (but he'll be remembered as that nice German kid that got oh so close to Schuey's records ).
And I'd like to point out once again, that the points Vettel "stole" from Webber in Malaysia are twice as many as the difference was to Alonso last year. This isn't peanuts, these points truly matter. And thinking it doesn't matter now because the season is still long, is very naive and not the sign of a professional team with hundreds of millions of dollars at stake.
Vettel has achieved so much more than MS had at the same age that breaking the records should be a shoe in. Otoh, if ms hadn't retired prematurely, I reckon he'd possibly have two more championships.....but would have....could have doesn't count. Of course, vettel needs to make sure he stays in the right car. I think red bull handled this whole thing poorly. That's the real problem IMO.
Agreed on all points. MS would have bagged an 8th or possibly even a 9th title had he stayed on with Ferrari. Unless Vettel has an accident, which ends his career, he'll go on to raise the bar further. Not sure he'll break MS' record of 7 titles or numbers of wins, but pretty much everything else.
Hugely damaged, not really. Is it making people think twice about his honesty on the track now? Most certainly, but not in the same light as a Senna or Schumacher. They were fighters, Vettel stole from a baby under quite crooked circumstances of his own teammate toning down his engine per orders. I suppose it's Webber's fault for trusting Vettel would do the same as he was ordered to do. It's sick that a driver can make a team a dictatorship that quickly.
If Seb gets into a rut with Red Bull like next year may very well be, then I'm not confident he can claw his way back to dominance as Michael could with Ferrari. Most drivers are WDC with one team during one era and are never seen winning another with another team let alone several.
True, but what Seb did was more "Pironi-esque" than Senna-esque. I think him racing for max points is right...but him ignoring the team and going against the orders that were given was not. I'm certain everything that RBR does is (rightfully) slanted towards Vettel, so there is no need for him to break ranks and pull one over on Mark Webber, who went into 'conserve' mode at the direction of the team.
So? Pironi would have been WDC without the rain at Hockenheim. He bagged the points and rattled Villeneuves cage hard enough to cause Gilles loose his smarts at Zandvoort going for a pointless Banzai run (set of used quali tires was hopeless). The fans booed Pironi for a while but they would have celebrated his WDC nonetheless. As it turned out Keke had a lot of justification to do for inheriting the title
Heheheee, i dont think Vettle will have the same kind of run as Shumi, but I'm not taking any chances. So, f@ck that kid.
And another throwing Vettel under today. Vettel urged to apologise to F1 fans | F1 News | Apr 2013 | Crash.Net
The mistake was on RB's part in pretending that there would be equal treatment. Mark took them at their word. Seb knew better.
He should have known better. They always treated him like a #2 regardless of what they said for PR reasons
Bas and Andreas are 100% or correctt, Vettel did exactly the right thing a Champuon does, if he were to lose or win the championship, by those points from Malaysia, it would come back to haunt him. Good for him.
Three-time Formula One world champion Sebastian Vettel says he feels no need to apologise for winning following his controversial victory at the Malaysian Grand Prix. The 25-year-old German, who ignored team orders to overtake Red Bull teammate Mark Webber, said the row had made people overlook the performance of the team. "I don't apologise for winning. I think that's why people employed me in the first place and why I am here," he said in an interview with team and personal sponsor Infiniti. Advertisement "I love racing so, yeah that's what I did." Vettel, however, said he should not have ignored team orders to stay behind Webber, who had followed the team's strategy to cruise to the finish to preserve their engines for the next race. "Unfortunately people didn't see that we performed well on the day," Vettel said. "As a team I think we did a very good job, we got a fantastic result. I think we had a very strong weekend in Australia already but maybe didn't get quite the result we wanted. "But in Malaysia we were surprised again to be racing at the top and the whole race we worked excellently well with the tyres etcetera. "I think that's what people forgot. What stuck to the heads is the way the race ended, but I think there is not much to add than what happened. I apologised for putting myself above the team, which I didn't mean to do." Vettel leads the standings on 40 points after two races heading into Sunday's Chinese Grand Prix in Shanghai. Lotus driver Kimi Raikkonen, who won the Australian Grand Prix, is on 31 points and Webber on 26. "Obviously we learned quite a bit from the first two races. China will be different again; different circuit, different climate, so I think we are still in the learning process," Vettel said. DPA
