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1st 100 miles with my new 458 Italia

Discussion in '458 Italia/488/F8' started by rlips, May 1, 2013.

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  1. rlips

    rlips Formula Junior

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    #1 rlips, May 1, 2013
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    So, after a 5 month wait from order time, I have spent my first full day with my new 458 Italia. This is my first new Ferrari, my previous car was a 2006 F430 3 Pedal that I bought in September 2011 and drove for 8,000 miles.

    Some background: My daily driver is a 2008 Porsche Cayman S, my track car is a Lotus Exige cup 255. I do about 40 -50 track days per year and instruct with Porsche club and other groups.

    Previous cars have included a 997.2 GT3 (50+ track days as well as about 2,500 street miles), a 997.1 C2S, and a BMW E46 M3. All my cars up until the 458 have been a traditional manual transmission.

    I thought I might share my impressions of the differences between the 458 and the F430.


    First, the controversial stuff:

    Steering wheel controls

    I tend to drive my street cars the same way as my track caars: Forward seating position, and hands at 3 and 9 O' clock on the wheel. I will turn the wheel a little past 90 degrees with both hands, and use shuffle steering if I need to go further. My impression is that the car was brilliantly designed for this sort of driving. With my hands in my normal track position, I can operate the turn signals and horns with my thumbs. The horn is in the same position as it was on the F430, which, in my opinion, is superior to any other car. Think about it, the last thing you might do before an impact on a street car is hit the horn; with the superior Ferrari scheme, your palms are not pressing down on the airbag chamber!

    The turn signals make perfect sense, and, while different, I believe are also superior to the traditional stalk control. As long as you signal BEFORE you turn the wheel, there is no way to confuse this. This is as it should be, signaling should take place before the turn commences.

    If I move my fingers down, I get the Manitino in the same location where it was in the F430, so that seems comfortable to me. I tend to use it a lot, as I like to tailor the car to the conditions. On the left side, I can easily slide my thumb down on the shock decouple button. I am learning this button, but it seems brilliant, as I can adjust the suspension to respond to road conditions. I have not used the high beam switch much, but it makes sense. I have not had occasion at all to use the wind shield wipers, I suspect that many Ferrari owners drive the car for years and never do!

    So, in my opinion, the steering wheel is a great success. It's different, so we tend to be less comfortable at first, but I suspect that it is superior and clearly brings a more logical approach to controlling the car.


    Next, the DTC transmission. This is where I thought I might have the longest adjustment curve, and I was correct. When I first got into the car, it was similar enough to my old F430 that I reached for the place where the gear selector would be to pop it in neutral. Muscle memory I guess.

    I also find I try to step on the clutch to start the car, but that is going away rapidly. I have to actively think about shifting the paddles, where I have been driving a conventional manual for so long that I do it without thinking. So in that respect, I am not adjusted to the car.

    Now the most interesting thing, and I think the part that is most satisfying: To my brain/butt, the car feels as if it is a manual transmission. I feel that direct connection in the drive train, it does not feel like a conventional Automatic. I do not know if that is programming or mechanics, but I am very pleased with this. It feels like I have a manual box but someone (or I should say something) is operating the clutch and gear selector for me.

    After 100 miles, I can say that I am smoothing out and learning the transmission, but I would still be smoother with my 3 pedal. I believe that the transmission senses how fast I pull the paddle, and smooth shifts (especially downshifts) seem to take a more leisurely pull of the paddle. I also find that it downshifts best under braking, and using the same shift points and gears that I would have used in the F430 yields the best results.

    So, in my opinion, fears about not having involvement or manual control over the transmission are not warranted. Of course, you can be lazy and put it in Auto, and I did that today when I got a few work phone calls that required some mental energy. To be honest, I was glad for the Auto mode at that point, but I would not use it in most situations as it upshifts very early.

    The car clearly is much, much quicker than my old F430. So much so, that I am slowly working up to it. This is unusual for me, as I have hundreds of track days and usually don't need much time to acclimate. The closest thing I have driven on track in terms of power to weight and acceleration is a Radical SR3, and I think the 458 has more straight line performance.

    The steering seems quicker and a little lighter than the F430; given that the tires are still not "broken in" I am being careful about the grip levels. I will work up to this and report back, but the car responds well to proper weight management and it's easy to modulate weight transfer with throttle as long as I am not in the upper reaches of the power band. I am not acclimated to the car yet to be able to trust the grip levels at higher rpm settings, so I tend to take corners at a lower than normal rpm to allow me more margin of safety. (Yes, I am sure the electronic aids would probably prevent me from getting the rear out to far, but I prefer to try to manage that myself. Old habit from the race track.)

    The car sounds quieter than my F430, until the exhaust valves open up; then I get that familiar flat plane crank song we all love.

    The electronic systems in this car are clearly orders of magnitudes more advanced than the previous generation: The infotainment system ( I have iPod and sat radio, but no Nav) works well. The owners manual does not give any details on the system and the little "quick guide" gives only general concepts. Ferrari should give us a detailed infotainment manual.

    The screens are clear and legible both day and night, but the display dimming level does not seem to control the Tach, and the tach is distractingly bright to my eyes at night. I tend to like my gauges turned down as low as possible as night, my 47 year old eyes need all the help in night vision that they can get and the Tach is a distraction at night.

    Automatic headlights, and electro chromatic mirrors help to bring this car into the modern era.

    The parking brake is also brilliant, it just works when I need it to, with no intervention. Again, muscle memory seems to have me reaching for the non existent e-brake lever, but I am adapting fast.


    This is also my first experience with Carbon Ceramic brakes, as I track guy, I prefer steel. When you replace brake pads every 4 track days and rotors every 9 days, steel brakes are the only way to go. I was concerned about the initial bite when cold, as I had read this can be an issue. On my car, the brakes grab smoothly and predictably. My dealer said they bed them in as part of pre-delivery prep.

    Overall, the build quality of this car seems improved over the F430. It seems solid and I have no rattles or squeaks in the interior. The doors work smoothly and are balanced a little heavier than those of the F430.

    The car is going in tomorrow for a full paint correction, I asked the dealer not to detail the car as part of prep, so I will post more pictures when I get it back. Dave Saunders of Street Dreams will handle that for me, and he will apply the 22PLE coating as well.

    Enclosed are a few shots from my friend Matt, I will do a more detailed photo shoot when I get the car back. I am headed to VIR this weekend, so I won't have the 458 back until early next week.

    Overall, I am really loving this car, it's a huge step up from the F430.

    Cheers,

    Ron
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  2. clenart

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    #2 clenart, May 2, 2013
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    Thank you for the post. Your perspective was very valuable.

    Planning to track her?

    Enjoy your beautifully spec'd 458

    C
     
  3. PhilNotHill

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    Ron:

    Congratulations on your beautiful Fcar.

    You may need to use the windshield cleaning if someone kicks up a mess in front of you. Just pull the button from the back toward you and the windshield cleaning process begins. Like a Pcar, if the headlights are on they will get a cleaning as well.

    Fully agree the 458 needs a complete infotainment manual. It is dangerous to experiment while underway.

    Best of luck and may the horse be with you.
     
  4. LasseH

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    #4 LasseH, May 2, 2013
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    Your feeling is 100% correct because it's not an automatic (with a torque converter which slips) but a double clutch system which is like two manual gearboxes in one. This means that it feels like a manual with that direct connection when you are in gear (which is great). So it's all about mechanics.

    Like Jay says, it's a "fully automatic MANUAL transmission", a great video with an opened double clutch gearbox:

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0t2xia8xxs]2009 Porsche Carrera PDK - Jay Leno's Garage - YouTube[/ame]
     
  5. rlips

    rlips Formula Junior

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    This one is going on the street only. At this point, I really want harnesses and proper seats, and the groups I run with require fire extinguishers.

    It's not fun for me to track an expensive street car, too much worry about damage.
     
  6. photonut

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    ron:
    great post!
    please check out my pm.
    thanks
     
  7. TopspeedPT

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    Great post and beautiful car!

    Enjoy her.
     
  8. TheMayor

    TheMayor Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Really agree with your assessment. I wish more manual guys would drive it. I'm not saying they would switch but they would see what the excitement is about. I loved downshifting into the LED red zone!

    The steering wheel is a success. I got used to the indicators and its clear now that getting the stalks out of the way help you control the paddles better. Plus, it just looks cool (sorry, it does!). But, I didn't get used to the windshield wiper modes, which are confusing.

    I could never get used to the parking brake. I don't like it. I would have preferred the old way . And, I have no place to put my hat. :)

    It does sound quieter than the F430. And, there's less mechanical noise from the gearbox in the 458.

    One thing for sure, at 9 grand (which you can't do until you break it in), it will make your hair stand on end. :)

    Enjoy the ride!
     
  9. geochin

    geochin Formula Junior

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    Great assessment. The color is beautiful. Enjoy the great weather ahead.
     
  10. W. MITTY

    W. MITTY Formula Junior

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    Many thanks for a lucid and observant post. This type of post is a refreshing change from the usual "how should I spec my car?" threads that seek to dominate the 458 section!

    I took delivery of my second 458 yesterday, and after about eight months of not driving one, it was nice to fall in love all over again. You are spot on regarding the steering wheel and its controls. It's simply a better mouse trap.

    WHile I am no fan of two peddle cars for street driving, the transmission in the 458 is as good as it gets. It is vastly superior to my otherwise lovely SLS, at least until my Black Series gets here in the late fall...

    Thanks again for a useful and meaningful post. May others follow your lead :)
     
  11. photonut

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    ron:
    you are a most eloquent writer.
    i picked up my 458 spider yesterday.
    with just under 100 miles on the vehicle, i am simply speechless.
    i can offer absolutely no prose to describe the driving experience!
     
  12. PhilNotHill

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    The only good thing I can say about the elec parking brake is it is impossible to drive the car with the parking brake on. Which has happened to me me with the F355 and 360 a few times. This may result in a trip to the dealer for adjustment.

    I put my hat on my head. :D

    When I flash my light it is much easier to pull on the stalk the old way. By the time I find the flashing button on the steering wheel it may be too late. BTW if you push the flasing button after you shut off the engine the lights will stay on for 30 sec for each push up to 3 minutes for illumination as you are leaving the car.

    Never had an F430 however the 458 is louder than my 360 and F355 both with Tubis. No complaints about the sound. I love it.

    Have been downloading CDs to the hard drive (HDD) and it is fantastic. One of my must haves was SiriusXM radio. Haven't even started it yet as I can put all my favorite music on the HDD. I love this as well.

    Bob: I have put over 2k miles on the spider already and have been driving pretty regularly the last two weeks as the snow has abated. Before that couldn't drive her more than once a week. The car has over 2800 miles on it and I have absolutely no intention of selling it. The best, most fun car I have ever owned. Thanks for your help in the buying process.
     
  13. motzatoge

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    #13 motzatoge, May 5, 2013
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    I love my new spider i put 150 miles around town just in the 24hrs I am not saving this car for the next owner, its awesome i love. I actually am contemplating a f12 but can't imagine it will looks as good and be as fun to drive. Remember "Drive it Like You Stole It" I know i do. This is daily but only on open road.. I have a porsche cup and a viper acrx cup for the track, but this has made up my mind to go to a 458 challenge!!!
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  14. racerdj

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    Nice write up and pictures!.....max speed 172
     
  15. DoctorV8

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    Great post. I'll be joining the Grigio Silverstone club myself in a few weeks! Thanks for your insight.
     
  16. Balsamina

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    Thank you OP for the ergonomics/interface write up. Its very descriptive - based on your ability to articulate your impressions, I would imagine your track students appreciate your instruction. It also encourages me for the wait for my Grigio Silverstone order.

    When you have more time I'd also be interested in your compare/contrast of the driving dynamics with your P-cars as well as your 430.

    Congrats on the addition to your stable.
     
  17. Stradale Joe

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    This may be a really foolish question but why does a brand new car need a "paint correction"?. Now I've had my black 599 paint corrected after 2 years of use (10,000 miles) , but brand new from the factory? Certainly the paint condition at delivery has to be excellent enough to wrap the car without a paint correction.

    Beautiful car and color....lots of safe miles.
     
  18. rlips

    rlips Formula Junior

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    #18 rlips, May 6, 2013
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    Your are correct, but, unfortunately this does not seem to be the case with cars coming out of the factory these days. It's been discussed here a few times, so I don't want to turn this thread into another "Ferrari paint sucks" thread.

    Here are some pictures of it in process from the detailer.

    Best,

    Ron
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  19. SPY458

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    can you post some pics of your sls? i just got my sls gt too =)
     
  20. geochin

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    Ron,

    I have the same problem with my Blu Pozzi. In bright sun, you can clearly see swirl marks. Brought it back to dealer and their body shop did the best they could and either of us was happy.
    The dealer is bringing in a outside specialist to correct the problem. Who are you using & where in NJ are they located.
     
  21. rlips

    rlips Formula Junior

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  22. sanchezdds

    sanchezdds Formula Junior

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    I love it! Good for you! If you send that type of money on a great car and do not drive it, it's foolish. enjoy
     
  23. sanchezdds

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    To the OP, you have a gorgeous car. Enjoy in good health.
     

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