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if the 330gtc is 700k...

Discussion in '456/550/575' started by Bahaba0, May 5, 2013.

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  1. Bahaba0

    Bahaba0 Karting

    Feb 4, 2010
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    Miami, Fl
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    David Stone
    i am told that a good 330 gtc is 700k at the moment. this sounds incredible to me as i bought mine for 65k in the mid 1990s. it just shows the up and down rideof ferraris especially when speculators get into the market. yes i know that only 600 330 gtcs were made and that it is an enzo era f car but really folks prices are nuts. while i loved the 330( i had both a 330gt and a gtc) there really is no comparison to the 550 which is a much superior car in every way...except $$$. Wait ten years and a 550 will be at 150k or more. i know of serious collectors who are paying 90k plus for pristine low mileage 550s now to add to their collections. as to the thinking that high production ferraris never appreciate look at the 246 series to see what can happen to "high volume" ferraris. imho the 550/575 is sure to follow. time to buy for those on the sidelines. i would be interested in the opinion of other readers, especially those that disagree. by the way, a good friend of mne who owns six classics, mainly porsche and m-b drove my 550 and is actively looking to add a 550/575 to his collection. to drive a 550, especially if one has driven other ferraris, is to understand what a classic it is. One last thing, for the last few years we have become friendly with an italian -swiss couple who live in my building part time. as it turns out massimo was the president of bosch during the 550/575 production years. his very favorite ferrari- the 550.
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  2. Thackray

    Thackray Karting

    Aug 29, 2010
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    Philip Thackray
    David,

    You make good points!

    Assuming there IS a future and that things of value are not confiscated and brought into the “collective” then I would expect the 550 and 575 to be valuable classics. They have a “retro-ness” that is not shared by the previous V12 models produced after the late 60’s. The models that followed the 550/75 are characterized by being styled after deep sea fish. Not to disparage that styling but it puts the 550 and 575 in a unique position between 1970 and the present.

    I think the gated V12 cars will have a special place as well and this includes all the 550s and a small number of the 575s.

    Regards,

    Phil
     
  3. pma1010

    pma1010 F1 Rookie

    Jul 21, 2002
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    I don't consider myself a collector, nor particularly well informed on the topic, so....

    The GTC example, to me, says the car appreciated in value from when it was about 30 years old to today, when it's about 50 years old. I assume the majority of buyers are between 50 and 60, perhaps enjoying the romance of both a period of motoring history and reliving their own childhoods when such cars were icons and beyond the reach of most.

    I have not tried to catalog when the mainstream products from Maranello appreciate to know if the GTC example is generalizable but it seems overly optimistic to suggest less than 20 years and a bit pessimistic to suggest more than 40 so the 30 year mark seems a reasonable starting point, should the dynamic occur to more current vehicles.

    I suspect the "gated-era" for cars is coming to a (100-year) close, whether mandated by taste ("drive like Mike" or the aspirations of the "video game" generation), technology (more fuel efficient / technologically efficient to produce) or user training (how many of today's generation learn on a manual transmission?). 599 and on, really is better (or only available) as a paddle shift car and my belief is the 550/575 are the last true gated 12 cylinder cars. Using year 2000 as the production era, then 2030 marks one possible appreciation curve inflection.

    If the buyer remains a 50-60 year old (the group most likely to have the disposable income or investment funds to acquire the car), a 2030 "acquisition point" means they were born in the 1970s or 1980s and are likely in their 30s today and learned to drive 15-20 years ago. Part of a bet on appreciation is therefore understanding how many learned to drive a stick and would yearn for one in a front engined 12 cylinder Ferrari in 20-years? I'd guess a reasonable number.

    The "fly in the ointment" for this logic is of course many 30 plus year old Ferraris have not appreciated to any degree (308s) and i think it is a brave man who bets the next crop (e.g., 348s, Testarossas) will do.

    In sum, I don't have the wisdom to opine on why some cars appreciate, so don't. And whether it is the sumptuousness of the body shape, sound of the engine, delight of the driving experience or racing heritage "proximity" that drives this.

    My beliefs are:
    - they are unlikely to depreciate much from here. Indeed they may see modest appreciation;
    - you will have to hold the car for another 20 years to see the any real appreciation benefit. Even then, unclear given the numbers if it will outperform other investments;
    - hold on to the car because it's what you want and getting into the driver's seat and starting the car always feels like a special event. If it doesn't require a real estate tax like payment every few years, great; if makes a little bit of money for you, even better; if it yields a nice contribution to retirement, or an estate transfer to your children even better, but don't buy for this reason

    Philip
     
  4. Bahaba0

    Bahaba0 Karting

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    good points. bottom line i guess is to drive what you love.
     
  5. Bahaba0

    Bahaba0 Karting

    Feb 4, 2010
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    minor observation. one guard in my building is a twenty year old + who is working his way through college. my building houses modern ferraris, lambos, etc. the guard always stops me and tells me that my maranello ( yes he knew the 550 by name) is his favorite car in our garage. go figure
     
  6. ross

    ross Three Time F1 World Champ
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    if efficiency, competence, durability, and build quality were the sole arbiters of price, then the toyotas would be the highest priced cars in the world.

    they arent.

    and similarly, the 550, although a fantastic car in every way, will never equal a 330gtc in value. the price vectors for the older car are just different.
     
  7. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Jul 19, 2008
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    Terry H Phillips
    There were 600 330 GTCs built, they have a SOHC engine and are Enzo era cars. There were 3083 550s and 2064 575Ms built, and they were designed and built long after Enzo died. The Maranellos are better cars than a 330 GTC, but not better Ferraris. Same can be said for a Dino vs its several generations offspring, the 458.
     

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