David Piper restores the Talacrest P4

Will be interesting to see if they get the roof right.

 

The number they want for this car is ludicrous. I've spoken with Talacrest and in IMO it's laughable.

 

You're missing that the can am car was original. An equivalent would be taking the Breadvan and "restoring" it to a 250 SWB, or turning 0846 into a P3.

Production cars are more valuable in original form, but race cars must hold onto their history in some way.

 

Somehow I had concluded for myself that they must have already sold the car and where doing all this for the buyer.

Learning that the car is still for sale makes their decision to embark on the journey all the more questionable.

Best,

Jack.

 

No it doesn't. They bought a white elephant for too much money and cannot sell it for enough, hence they are trying to make it more sellable.
Pete

 

That can still be done anyway. A lot of money wasted on a botched job, but that is a good possibilty what might happen to this car later on.

 

At one time Ferrari 350 Can Am 0858 was deemed worthy to display in The National Auto Museum of Italy as was 0846 post 24 Hour of Daytona Victory. Think Piper's replica "P4" Version will?
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History Matters and preserving it is important.

UNESCO World Heritage Centre - World Heritage List

 

To whom?

 

Reliable sources have told me they are now asking 25MM USD for the Piper version.

IMO at that ask it will remain for sale for a long, long time.

 

Respectfully . . . Anyone suppose he is trying to save face years after bungling the 0846 transaction in wiser buyer's favor?


via rubber ducky

 

I know that there's a lot of impatient money in the market of late but IMO anyone willing to drop that kind of money will either know or be advised that there are better cars available.

A man stood on a street corner with a cup of pencils and a sign saying 20,000.00$ each.
When told that he was crazy to ask so much he replied.
"Maybe. But I only have to sell one."

 

The length of time that this "P4" has been for sale speaks for itself.

 

Any time. any place 0858 is shown with the Piper body and the Can Am body right next to it will draw a crowd and further constructive discussion. tongascrew

 

No two situations are the same. In my opinion the Breadvan was an improvement over the SWB Belinetta and possibly over the soon to be completed first 250 GTOs. Enzo certainly thought so. He cancelled Count Vople's order for two of those first GTOs. O858 and her very few sisters were the P series originals and should kept as "originally" conseived. Her Can Am "dress" should by all means be preserved along side. tongascrew

 

0900 along with its two siblings is not an original P 3 or 4 but a very good reproduction and so can have what ever repro gearbox. It seems to me that if 0858 has an original P 4 gear box all the more reason it should continue to be a P4. Just to stir the pot, if 0858 is not to be referred to as a P4 maybe it should be referred to as a Spingbok car. After all it was a championship winner of that series far better than anything it did as a Can Am car. tongascew

 

Ok if you wish let's call 0858 a [what ever] Springbok car. After all that's the one event series it was really successful at.The reason to refer to it as a CanAM car may just have to do with the fact that it will bring one H... more in the US of A and $s than in South Africa. This whole CanAm business may have to do more with $$$ rather than with it's origiinality.As you can tell I will always refer to 0858 as a P4. One ever expanding file on 0858 is enough. 0556/0446 is enough confusion for this guy. tongascrew

 

Are you sure about the gearbox being 603P and not 603R?

Res Ipsa Loquitur.

 

I'm not sure the point you're trying to make.

0854's gear box which is unquestionably original and is stamped 603 not 603R

The NOS boxes and parts we sourced included two 603R boxes and while I did once think they were P4 I now think they are later likely 350 Can Am/612 Can Am/712 Can Am/512.

Since then we have sourced additional gearbox casings/parts/gears and race ratio sheets and are building up a 603 box with Targa Florio ratio's for 0846 all of which is fully disclosed and completely irrelevant to 0858.

As 0854's Box is stamped 603 and not 603R I still believe that the P4 boxes were 603 not 603R.

Let's cut to the chase.

The engine in 0858 is not typo P4.

The serial number of that engine is also stamped on David's "0900"

The gearbox is 603R.

The replica body Piper is making is made on an English wheel not as it was originally formed and of a thickness of alloy that some have questioned as being the same as original bodies.

I think we can agree that Ferrari will not Classiche this car as a P4.

Taking all of that into account and the fact that this car with Piper's involvement attached has been offered for sale for a while and is still being offered for 25MM USD do you think using Piper as opposed to Ferrari Classiche was a good idea?

Do you think Piperised 0858 will trade at 25MM USD?

 

Sirs,

Absolute novice here, so please be gentle.

Does any P3, 412P, P3/P4, P4 or 350 Can Am have a certificate of Authenticity from Classiche?

If so, which, and when was it certified?

Thanks

Jong

 

0856

 

There is no governing body controlling the fate of historic cars. Current the world or car manufacturers don't think car history matters enough ... funds are required ...
Pete

 

0858 was Red Book Classiche certificated as a 350 Can Am car in 2009 and will be eligible to be tested/scrutinised by Classiche for certification as a Vehicle of Historic Interest as a P4.

 

Well 99% of posters on this thread for starters. They might complain about history being ruined but nobody coughed up to save her.

On top of that:
Can Am version is simply ugly,
Unsuccessful,
Impractical for modern road use compared to a P4 (think super rich non-enthusiasts who simply want to attend modern events ... wifes hair)
Pete