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My first F430 DIY oil and filter change

Discussion in 'Technical Q&A' started by Joegnsx, May 25, 2013.

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  1. Joegnsx

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    I just did my first DIY oil and filter change on the F430, and although I read several great posts here on FChat and elsewhere, I learned some things. One post said you need a 12mm hex driver--turns out I needed a 10mm, which I had, and a 19mm which I bought. Whoever installed the drain plugs last time might have used an air hammer driver--I needed a breaker bar plus cheater-bar extension to break the 19mm loose. The oil filter may have been installed with the correct 30 Newton-meters of torque, but it took much more to loosen. I almost destroyed the old filter with a vice-grip chain wrench--good thing I had it. I did not think the cool filter wrench tool was worth the price they are asking--right now I am about to change my mind. So, it is for sure a DIY job, but expect to take more time than most oil changes--I am sure the next one will go quicker.....by the way, I used Mobil One 0-40..it took 11quarts, and bought the Purflux filters on-line.
     
  2. Jeffreyclark

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    Great and what other type of DIY you have found here. Curious
     
  3. pippo

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    Too bad there are some real He-Men/Charles Atlas wannabees out there who have to torque stuff waayyy too tight. Including wheel lugs, which can be so tight/overtorqued, can even leave one stranded for a while. Nothing like a litle finnesse when its required.

    Oh, drain oil out when hot. Let it drain for as long as posible. I give my cars 20-30 minutes.
     
  4. Joegnsx

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    I did let it drain for at least an hour--while I fought with filter..
    Also it was hot when I started. I plan to do oil and filter every 5k miles, even though the book says 10 and with Mobil One....
     
  5. pippo

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    good deal, Joe.
     
  6. JL350

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    Two things to add. If the filter is very hard to get off, sometime stabbing a screwdriver all the way through gives you plenty of leverage, gets messy with oil leakage, but can get the job done. Smearing oil around the rubber seal before replacing the new filter helps to stop leakage and seal damage if accidentally over tightened.
     
  7. Face76

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    I have seen the screwdriver idea work but you are commited once attempted. The strength of the oil filter itself will determine if it works or you need much more serious help.
     
  8. vincep99

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    You can get an oil-filter wrench from NAPA for ~ $10 for the kind with a handle, but for a few bucks more you can get one with a 3/8 drive so you can use your ratchet and extension.

    Good point about oiling the gasket of the new one. When installing you never use a wrench, just tighten by hand 3/4 turn after the gasket touches the base. Even so they do tighten up with time.
     
  9. Zcobra1

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    Try EBay for the correct wrench, got mine for under $20 shipped.
    Also there is a torque value for tightening the filter, as quoted above,
    highly advisable to use the factory settings, not just 3/4 more after filter touches base.

    These motors and oil system create a lot of psi, especially on start up, so
    the filter does need to snugged to factory specs.

    I am also going to use the Mobil1 Euro spec 0/40 on the next change, found some
    local for $38 a jug, bought 2, should be good for my 360.
     
  10. pippo

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    right- never ever tighten using a wrench. Not necessary, and many times its stated to NOT use a wrench on the filter.

    Oh- and dont forget to partially fill the filter with new oil before screwing it on, if it allows you to do this (some filters are totally horizontal, making a mess if filled then screwed on- not knowing if thats the case with this particular ferrari)
     
  11. JeffBarber

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    0-40 made mine leak, I went back to 15w-50.
     
  12. Mowgli

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    Do people actually use accurate torque when putting the new filter on? As in using a torque wrench?
     
  13. AKINSB

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    Jeff... Where did you develop leaks with the lower viscosity oil?

    AK
     
  14. Joegnsx

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    Several postings on FChat and other sources suggest YES using a torque wrench and cap socket--set it to 30 Newton Meters. I ordered a cap wrench on eBay from the UK today for about $27 delivered. Ricambi also sells one for $86... I think plus delivery.....

    Next change should be easier with the cap wrench!
     
  15. cm2

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    I did on my 360. Super easy with the special filter tool. Followed all torque recommendations and realized that the rear plug torque spec guaranteed stripped threads.
     
  16. JeffBarber

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    Good question, I think from one of the big expensive lines running from the oil res to the engine.
     
  17. Joegnsx

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    Did another oil and filter change today on the 430. Much easier the second time. Did the gearbox oil too--relatively easy DIY.
     
  18. Akram

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    I did an oil change on my Scud last week and I think I have a leak. Now keep in mind I have done several 360 and 430 oil changes without a problem and even one complete oil screen change. Everything went fine as far as I could tell and the drain plugs were torqued to the correct number. I spilled a bit of oil when I was filling the oil fill on top of the engine and so I thought maybe it was just residual getting warm and dripping down after one short drive but there is just way too much oil on the ground. I have not gotten under the car yet but it appears to be coming from the 19 mm back drain plug area. Is there any way a copper crush washer could be defective? Has anyone else ever had a leak after and oil change?
     
  19. Ferrari Tech

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    I have performed 100s of oil services. Yes, the copper washer can be defective. I have had it happen a few times. I look them over before I install them. I nick or dent will cause an issue.
     
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  20. Island Guy

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    Why wouldn't you?
     
  21. Akram

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    Well the crazy thing is these copper washers came from a dealership.
     
  22. Ferrari Tech

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    I have torque wrench that is used just for oil filters. So, yes people actually use accurate torque when putting the new filter on.
     
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  23. RayJohns

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    Not a fan of copper washers due to their hardness. I usually prefer aluminum washers. You can anneal the copper washers a little before use, which removes some of the surface hardness and makes them a bit nicer to work with.

    For oil changes on my Toyotas, I like the factory blue fiber washers and have switched to using those over copper or aluminum.

    Ray
     
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  24. f355spider

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    Ugh, I hate the Toyota factory aluminum and blue fiber "sandwich" washers. They stick to the oil pan and I have to pry them off with a scraper or screwdriver. After dealing with them for years, (got my 07 Tundra in 2010) and getting fed up with my Toyota dealer wanting close to $2 each for them, I bought a bag of 100 aluminum washers on Amazon for like $11 last year. Now they come off cleanly with the drain bolt. :)
     
  25. f355spider

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    Seen that as well. I only do two or three oil changes on my BMW a year, but over the past 20 years I have come across mangled up looking copper washer in the filter kit, as well as no washer. I have since ordered and keep a couple spare copper washers and a spare filter housing nitrile 0-ring in my garage spares. I ended up doing that for all my cars, truck and motorcycle...cause you always run into this on a weekend or evening when everything is closed.
     

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