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  1. 335s

    335s Formula Junior

    Jan 17, 2007
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    I Know almost nothing about dinos and the sublties...
    I have been told that "D" blocks(where is the "D" located on the block, is it a casted releif letter or, ist a stamping) are the "strongest."
    Why? and more importantly...how so?

    does this mean a "B" block(it such even exists, is a far weaker casting?

    If you are going to use either on the street-does it really make a difference in strenght if this ios the main arguement for differential?

    If you are going to have a 290HP Track engine....does the difference NOW mean that the "B"block( if I conclude sequencetial has a meaning), is a far inferior selection for such a racing powerplant? is the "D" stonger?-how?

    or is this all BS?

    experienced DINO practitioner responses requested!
    thanks, and ciao!
     
  2. racerboy9

    racerboy9 F1 Rookie
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    I can't answer your fundamental question about the strengths of the different blocks but the "D" block is the last version and the cast letter D is in the v of the top of the cylinder block on the timing cover end. This is the block used on all the Lancia Stratos and later series Dino 246. Only thing I have heard about weakness on the Dino block is there is sometimes cracking on the crankshaft support webs but I think that must be fairly rare. The turbo Stratos put out over 500HP on that D block.
     
  3. dinogts

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    Interesting - this is the first I have heard of a "D" block.

    Anyone care to post a photo of the "cast letter D . . . in the v of the top of the cylinder block on the timing cover end"?
     
  4. dignini

    dignini Formula 3

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    RHD GTS March 1973 = C block
     
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  6. 335s

    335s Formula Junior

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    may I infer that a nC block is very late production and possible cross applications with both lines?

    D blocks it seem are the strongest and hence stratos application....
    How much weaker in web strength of main bearing casting webs are B vs C vs D?
    any real world experience-as oppossed to "i heard from a guy at..."

    thanks fellas
     
  7. JCR

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    It would be worthwhile PM'ing the member named "Stratos" if he hasn't seen this thread.
     
  8. stratos

    stratos Formula Junior

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    There are no structural differences between the various flavours of Dino blocks each was simply destined to a different application hence the code letters, that's all.
     
  9. dignini

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    Thanks that's a relief..:)
     
  10. rosso corsa motorsport

    rosso corsa motorsport Formula Junior

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    all the blocks are the same on Fiat dino and Ferrari dino only different numbers on them,
    besides that the block is not strong in the middle maincaps they sometimes crack
     
  11. dignini

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    under racing load? or everyday use?
     
  12. racerboy9

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    Are the middle main caps prone to breaking and not the block itself?
     
  13. rosso corsa motorsport

    rosso corsa motorsport Formula Junior

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    on the block under middle caps ther block is weak, but there is a solution for that
     
  14. dinogts

    dinogts Formula 3
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    and

    It is kind of like pulling teeth to get an answer at times here, isn't?

    SO, what is the solution?
     
  15. dignini

    dignini Formula 3

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    you mean, as in ..
    Q" do you know what the time is ?
    A "yes"
    :)
     
  16. TonyL

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    I thought there was a slight difference on the bottom of the block, oil pickup? Could be wrong!
     
  17. rosso corsa motorsport

    rosso corsa motorsport Formula Junior

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    yes i think you need to pull many teeth to get the answer from someone here
     
  18. rosso corsa motorsport

    rosso corsa motorsport Formula Junior

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    tony
    castings are the same but some small difference is on bottom, ask ron he tell you the small difference
     
  19. rosso corsa motorsport

    rosso corsa motorsport Formula Junior

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    for hard every day use, caps are not tight on the block they move, material rub from block to main cap make bearing failure
     
  20. dignini

    dignini Formula 3

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    Thank you. Paranoia will set in now,,, :) will have to be a smoother driver.
     
  21. rosso corsa motorsport

    rosso corsa motorsport Formula Junior

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    connecting rod big end is not good, the bolts are too loose, and new original bolts can not be found, and the flywheel is loose on the crankshaft
     

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