Replicas, why bother ??

So because a 240z with a body kit "fools no one" you shouldn't put badges on it. but if your car is good enough to "fool" people, it is acceptable to put Enzo Ferraris tradmarked logo and name on it. A car neither Enzo or his company had anything whatsoever to do with.

You guys seem to have double standards for yourselves.

I don't know but I would say Enzo would not approve of cars built without his or his companies blessing, so to counter that it is a tribute or honor paid to him is just BS.

The only reason for emblems, as you put it, is to "fool" people. If not, pull the Ferrari emblems and put something of your own design on and see how you feel about it. Will the car be less Ferrari? Heck no, 'cause it ain't no Ferrari to begin with!

 

It's about time. After saying exactly the same thing in 53 posts on this thread, I'm sure that we all welcome that decision. Now you can go monopolize another thread.

 

Very well said. In fact, nothing further needs to be said.

Dale

 

Cool story.

 

Again, just a case of your values vs someone else's. Doesn't make yours any more right or wrong. Ever download an MP3? Stream an unlicensed song on YouTube? A clip from a TV show or movie?

 

I'm putting a Dino body on my Lawn Mower, Chillin Baby

 

It's not a good thing, it's a doesn't matter thing. Your values are different.

I could argue that you've illegally listened to music or watched unlicensed content on the Internet. You don't care about that, so why should they care about the design thing?

 

How did Jim make p4/5 then? That's as much a rip off of the p3/4 as any of the Fiero testa's, and who designed the body has no bearing on it.

I'll ask again, is a 355 built using all Ferrari OEM parts a fake?

Is the Telacrest P4 a fake/clone?

Is the 365GTB/4 that was destroyed in an accident and rebodied using an original spider body a clone?

 

No, it's the law.

If you counterfeit goods, then you are wrong.

You probably should stop posting this stuff.

 

Building a 250 gto isn't counterfeiting, it's perfectly legal.

 

Jim paid Pininfarina, yes? Unless his check bounced and you know something we don't. It's actually the ultimate anti-replica -- most expensive genuine Ferrari underpinnings you can get, and the most expensive body, that he paid for. Is it my kind of car? Not so much, but the guy didn't stiff Ferrari by stealing one of their designs.

As to your other questions, I guess I answered them 5 pages ago, but a Daytona 'cut' Spyder is worth a fraction of an authentic one. It's a Ferrari, but modified. And a Corvette with Daytona-looking body is really a worthless POS for people who think that a Ferrari is all about the body style. It is not a Ferrari. It's a Chevrolet.

A Ferrari 355 rebuilt using Ferrari parts is a Ferrari. A Toyota MR2 with a 355-looking body kit is a Toyota.

Seriously, it's not complicated unless you try to make it complicated to come up with a rationale for fakes.

 

Read his post. He's talking about Ray Ban sunglasses. It's illegal. Unless you want to call them replicas.

 

So just because he paid a bunch of money it's ok? Good 250gto replicas use all Ferrari underpinnings and an expensive hand made body, too. I guess because they're not more money than the original, they're bad though.

The Daytona wasn't cut, it used an original spider body as the hard top was destroyed.
What about a 355 built from scratch using Ferrari parts, not rebuilding an existimg car? I want to see exactly where your arbitrary line falls...

 

If we were in Italy, it would be crushed.

In the United States if isn't illegal its because there is no law about looking like a dork racing around town in a Datsun while pretending you own a real one

 

What about a Fiat 500 that was stretched and fitted with a Gallardo V10 and hub caps from a VW Beetle and seats from a LeBaron...

 

Oh I am aware that counterfeiting is illegal, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of the people who hold such belief, yourself included.

You speak of the integrity of a purchase but I am almost certain you do not exercise such integrity with respect to other laws. Why?

Have you ever knowingly driven above the speed limit? Have you ever downloaded a song or watched an unlicensed clip on YouTube? Have you ever viewed a scan of a magazine article that someone posted on here? Seriously, answer these.

 

Again with this silly argument? Geez it's so simple. If it came from Ferrari and was insured a VIN, its a Ferrari. Everything else , no matter how well done, is a phony.

What is so hard hear to understand?

 

What gave you the idea that I lack integrity?

+365

 

Actualy the 250 GTO reps are made by Allegretti in italy. They also make them in the Uk.
I have not heard of Allegreti being closed down.

What gets crushed are poor fiberglass replicas of 308's and 360's which is an entirely different category, which you choose to muddle in

 

You use the word phoney, we use the word recreation. Like the Buggatisti say, its not when or where it was built, its how it was buiult and the materials used that counts.

 

I don't muddle in the fact that a guy running around town in a fake GTO is a dork.

The fact that some cars are destroyed is proof enough -- it's either wrong or illegal or it makes you look like a dork.

 

Because I know everyone in the entire world drives above the speed limit on the highway, doesn't use turn signals when pulling into their drive way, and has used YouTube to view an unlicensed song/video.

It illustrates that we all have different values even with respect to laws. I don't think you can use the "it's the law" argument if you yourself have willingly break other laws.

 

To admit it ruins the whole delusion er, illusion.

 

Watch the video with Tiff Needel I posted or the one with Leno. To you a nice car is something to ride around and look cool in. To me its something to drive. As to who can afford what. Paying 3 million for an old GT40 might be a good investment. Paying 200K for a SPF licensed GT40 is just smart if you want to drive the thing. As to whther I or anybody needs to be judged by you as to whether we can aford the "real" one or not or what it says about us, its not even close to my radar as to what someone who lives in pimptown thinks about class value or taste, especially someone obsessed about what a car says about the driver as oposed to what the car does for the driver.

You know we just come from vastly different car cultures. I see you point about a licesned design, but most examples are licensed.

I know you live in Vegas and its all pose and fake boobs. But some of us actualy own cars for how they go and the fun of driving. I guess you have been stuck posing in your paddle crap 458 for those 500 miles so long you dont actualy know what it means to drive the damm thing, I mean really drive, not just down th highway at 90 to valet.

So look at the video of Leno in a pursang, I never consddered him a poseur in cars, far more of a prfessor buff.

Look at the video of Tiff Needel(possibly the ultimate versatile driver) in the spf GT40, see what fun it is for him wound out on a track, see how he compares it well to a period piece, see his conclusion about what a unique fantastic and rare experience it is to drive a car like that full out, how if you have not done that you have missed one of lifes pleasures.

I know you dont get it, because you cant and never have driven that type of car like that. But have an open mind and look at the videos. if you dont then you are no different to a bible thumper faraid of reading a book with somehting other than the scripture.

 

Perhaps the silliest post ever on Fchat.

Let's see, if you drive over the speed limit you are a hypocrite for wanting justice if someone kills a member of your family. Am I getting it right?

You and I do not make or enforce or judge the laws. We have a justice system for that. You cannot arbitrarily say "I like this law and it applies to me but that one-- no way!"

And yes, people have been prosecuted for copying and distributing only a few MP3 files. And when unauthorized clips are reported to YouTube, they take them down to protect intellectual rights.

But when it comes to car designs-- oh no! Don't you take away my Cobra copy or fake Countach!

That's going too far!


To me, if you can't show clear title on a car's design under licence, it should be confiscated and destroyed just like fake watches are.

If you can't produce a title to your car, its considered stolen. It should be the same for stealing the shape because without authorization, it too is stolen from its creator or owner.