David Piper restores the Talacrest P4

From the McQueen 275 thread.

 

As many here have said its not just about the $$$ value, but also the historic value.

You know we preserve old houses and buildings ven though the land or parts of the structure would eb worth more $$$ if we just chopped up that origional structure.

Lets turn the clock forward 50 or 100 years. Intheory we are keepers of these vehicles. A single surviving can am is going to be of more value in every sense. 100 years from now, no one is driving an porigional ont he street. Recreations will exist for those who want to drive, what will be of value is origionality.

These things can only be origional as left the factory in period once. Yes if a car is partialy destroyed pices missing we accept arestoration new body etc.

Seriously this travesty is happening because of snobbery. The sooner we accept "authentic" recreations the sooner surviving oldies will be preserved in origional historic condition. At this point in time, to grind cars into bits in historic racing, to drive prices sky high because of $$$ may make $$$ sense but by any historic, cultural, astehtic or good sense its just crazy.

What is being said on this P4 is that a historic car is all about the dtata plate and various claims to provenance, what pieces are actualy hstoric and their preservation is of far less importance. All those who historic race GTOs swbs etc should look in the mirror. How much origional car is there. Everytime there isa crash you dont care because fixed with history the $$$ value is the same. You too are responsible for the entire mindsett of what is happening to the 350

 

+1 Good post.

 

There is only one P4 in existance today, and when 0858 is finished there will still be only one P4 in existance.

It seems nobody with the means wants a $25m rebodied Can AM so far, and I can't blame them either.

 

I wouldn't personaly give Ferrari too much credit in regards to the true history of these old race cars. They did after all certify a replica as real, by "mistake"

 

and nobody wanted it as a $6m CanAm either - would you blame them?

 

high bid was almost 10 million.

 

No. Especially considering Jim has described in what condition it came to auction.

However, that doesn't justify a Piperisation and it doesn't give any credit to a rebodied CanAm. If $10m+ for 0858 is too much, putting an incorrectly made body on it and asking $25m is beyond ridiculous.

 

But you don't have to pay it if you don't want it. Put in an offer you might be lucky!

 

If my bank manager were feeling generous I would of been interested in it as a Can AM (being a fan of that series) but certainly not as a Piper P4.

I would rather thrash a Norwood around. At least then I wouldn't have to kid myself my car is something that it isn't.

Perhaps you are willing to hand over $25m to Talacrest for this Piper P4?

 

"Originally Posted by miurasv View Post
I take your point and understand your angle/opinion on this which probably is that of most people. The chassis may be the heart of the car but that's only part of it. If an artist copies another artist's painting then it's a copy even if it's exact and that's what I feel if somebody else other than the original manufacturer or anyone authorised by them rebodies a car.

I don't agree that using replacement pattern panels on any car make it what it always was. They could be of inferior metal or not quite the same shape. The 250 SWB replicas, even when bodied by highly competent people, all have some tell tale sign that they are replicas so why would rebodying any other car be different?"

Too funny.

 

Ferrari 330 P4*-*For Sale At Talacrest

Go for it - just in to the paint shop

 

Just threw it out for what its worth.

Apologies to Buffalo Springfield

 

Ironic and funny considering the view expressed in this thread.

 

Every good forum needs its contrarians. Its even better when they are hilariously inconsistant.

 

I think that means that you are not wanting to put your money where your mouth is.

 

I wouldn't put any money into a Piper P4 in all honesty.

The fact its still for sale tells me I'm not exactly alone in that stance either.

 

Ferrari 330 P4?

Is that true? Is the engine back to 330?

 

Double standards...

 

Well doesn't that seem a bit contradictory? Seems to be a case of rooting for the hometown hero versus what one truly believes. Or in this case believes in the moment when applicable.

 

Yes, I admit to being wrong when I wrote the above. It was a narrow minded view point written in ignorance. With the benefit of being educated by some extremely knowledgeable people who contribute to this forum, I changed my mind. String me up!!!

 

Yep.

 

I think that this is an important point to make when it comes to what people where willing to pay at various times.

Some say people weren't willing to pay this much for the Can Am but are now willing to pay this much for the P4.

When Can Am went to Auction Napolis has stated that the car was in poor condition and borderline unsafe to drive and in need of a full restoration.

You can't compare this to the price the 350 would be worth if it were being sold in restored condition.

I'd have to think the Can Am restored would fetch significantly more. As I'd have to believe if P4/$ grabs a higher price then 350 Can Am sold for it will partly be due to people will think that for all the time it spent at Talacrest getting converted it was restored in the process and is good to go and play boy racer with. My guess is it's not and is still unsafe to drive but the paint will shine nicely on a perfectly smooth body before it bursts into flames.

 

Well at least we know you are prone to narrow minded view points written in ignorance.

I'd have to say history is repeating itself here.

Some call it being educated but I'm guessing some may call it brain washing.

I'd form your own opinion instead of flip flopping around due to what other people make you think you should think.

Doesn't really leaves us thinking your point of view is too credible.

 

and unless Piper has sleeved the engine the "330" part of this advertisement doesn't leave us thinking this advertisement of Talacrest's is too true.

Ferrari 330 P4 - For Sale At Talacrest