David Piper restores the Talacrest P4

There is some truth in this, IMO.....

 

This is a gross misrepresentation....Enzo gave him the blueprints, some spares and permission for ONE frame...

He made three....

I think the CanAm effort had considerable more thrust behind it than you post, you recall the entirely new 7 litre car.....(it was a dog too, per Mario)

 

You'll have to read up, on Medlin. An IRS tax claim finally sprung the car from his hands.....he needed the funds. No idea what he paid, he still has tons of other Ferraris.

 

According to DP in the video, even WM wanted him to reconfigure the car 40? years ago as a P4 by DP going to him to do it. DP suggested it be done in Europe but WM didn't want to do that. Or something like that.

 

No way the car could have travelled with the IRS closing in, IMO.

 

If the internet were around 40 years ago, we would have had the same the discussion about 0860.

And so what the Canam has few fans? Since when became the preservation of history about pleasing the majority?

 

True. True. True.

 

This whole thread is completely and utterly irrelevant now, its happened, wont be reversed, so get over it and enjoy life.

The only person who has any rights what so ever to determine what happens to this car is the current owner. They have decided to do what they have done, then sell it to someone who will be fully aware of its past and present, will love it for what it is and pay vast millions for the pleasure.

Nothing illegal has been done.

Talacrest will make money on the deal, that's what they do, they are a business, just like all the other business people on this thread.

If anyone wanted to prevent the car being converted back to P4 spec they should have paid the asking price at the time it was last up for sale as a Can Am.

 

Paul, what you state is all true, except, that 0858 is NOT being converted back to P4 spec, it is just being made to look like a P4.

What is for sale is being mis-represented. 0858 P4 is dead.

Best,

Jack.

 

It is fully fair to say that everyone can do what he wants with his money or what he owns.
In the meantime, tell me what's wrong when someone disagree with a ravage of the history, made just for money .

Ciao

Andrea

 

Nathan Detroit ran the oldest established permanent floating crap game in New York.

Much bigger question: will we make 2000 posts on the thread?

 

Nothing Illegal?

In an advertisement they are representing that the car they are selling is a "330 P4".

Is the car a "330"?

Is it legal to represent the car as a "330"?

 

That's for all prospective owners to ascertain when they carry out there own due diligence.

A quick google brings up this thread, so its not hard for anyone to do their homework and decide if its the car for them or not.

Caveat emptor just as with any purchase.

 

Caveat emptor doesn't justify a blatant lie by the seller. Just advertise what you have, not what you want it to be.

 

Nothing illegal has been done here...except for them misrepresenting what's for sale...yeah, but that doesn't count. :0)

 

Big Julie's dice come to mind.
The ones without any spots.

 

To call the car a "330" represents to the market that the engine is a 4-liter. This is false. The representation may expose its disseminator to criminal liability in some jurisdictions, and civil liability everywhere. However, with respect to a claim of fraud or negligent misrepresentation on the part of a buyer, one element of that claim is actual and reasonable reliance on the claim. That element is absent where the buyer knew the claim was false.

I really hate to stir the pot further, but how many "250 GTOs," "427 Cobras," "426 Hemis," etc., etc., have engines with a cleanup overbore of .030 or the like? You can see where this is going, so I'll stop here.

 

Hang in there "brother ?" Odds 10 to 1 not yet. "Brother tongascrew"

 

The restorers I assume will show the completed restoration as something like Ferrari 330 P4 #0858 with a chassis plate with the current sn#as in the current Ferrari records to make it all legal as required at RM. Technicaly this should be legally correct and make the lawyers happy and the lucky buyer and most of everyone else will know and accept that it is 330 P4 #0858 restored as correctly as possible to its original glory. tongascrew

 

it has been said numerous times in this thread: 0858 will never be a P4 again. Simply impossible. It is a 350 Canam. This shouldn't be so hard to grasp. Really.

 

Sorry I had his name wrong as "Big Louie". tongascrew

 

Come on .You really think anyone is going into the internet to check the history of this car.Get real. Anyone interested for any reason will know this is 1967 Ferrari 330 P4 #0858 with a chassis plate number that agrees with the factory records for what ever reason.This kind of post is laughable but keep he humor coming. tongascrew

 

Troll.

 

++++1!!!!

 

I think you need to take this up with Jim. I think he is probably correct that what ever records Classiche is looking at list the sn for this car as 603C.I have discussed this in a previous post and why RM was required to change their listing for the car at the auction. This should not present a problem as long as the chassis plate shows 603C or even both sns. tongascrew