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One more F12 has gone.

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  1. NürScud

    NürScud F1 Veteran

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    A dark blue Ferrari F12 Berlinetta was recently involved in a crash in Bad Camberg, Germany which saw it smash right into the rear end of an Audi Q5.

    Link: Car Crash: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta Rear-Ends Audi Q5

    Bad to see cars like F12 go like this. It's a pity.
     
  2. 4th_gear

    4th_gear F1 Rookie

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    What a shame.

    The vehicles appear to be on the passing lane of the southbound A3/E35 on the way to Frankfurt. There is a wind turbine south of Bad Camberg. You can see the base of the turbine on the left in the photo. It is a 6-lane section of the A3.

    From the way the F12 is lodged under the Audi and the fact that the Audi has been spun around either the F12 swerved into the passing lane and struck the Audi or he struck the Audi in the middle lane and the impact left both vehicles in the passing lane. The F12 driver may have been trying to pass another vehicle, maybe a truck and suddenly came up on the slower Audi. There are no skid marks.
     
  3. TheMayor

    TheMayor Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Don't worry. They'll make another. It's no biggie if no one was hurt.

    Cars are easily fixed, repaired, or replaced. People aren't.
     
  4. elipinski

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    +1 👍
     
  5. Yoonyah

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    anybody able to id the blue. I would say it's not TDF.
     
  6. London John

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    Quite a kinetic impact given the state of the front wheel.
     
  7. Stevenb

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    I saw a similiar accident once on the autobahn starnberg-munich with a 575. It seems as if

    the audi pulled into the fast lane without recognizing the speed of the f12. happens oo often

    on the autobahn...
     
  8. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Steven- That would have been my guess, too, that the Audi pulled out in front of the F12. Happened to me dozens of times on the autobahn, but none resulted in a collision.
     
  9. Noblesse Oblige

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    This is why we have crush zones in cars.
     
  10. NürScud

    NürScud F1 Veteran

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    It doesn't seem to me like TDF. Maybe it's Blu Pozzi.
     
  11. Yoonyah

    Yoonyah Karting

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    in my book it's not dark enough for Pozzi. That's why I'm asking. Of course: nearly impossible to see on the pic.
     
  12. Amgcol

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    It's called NART blue
     
  13. Stevenb

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    do you guys think that this is fixable? or totalled?
     
  14. 4th_gear

    4th_gear F1 Rookie

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    My sister's family lives not far from Bad Camberg and often take the A3. My own experience driving on the Autobahns is that average German drivers are much more disciplined than average drivers over here. Passing lanes on the Autobahns *really* are reserved for very fast drivers and people get off the passing lane as soon as they pass slower traffic. Germans are very aware that there are some extremely fast drivers on the Autobahns so they don't tend to jump into passing lanes frivolously.

    Case in point, my brother-in-law was doing 240+kph going North on the A3 around Bad Camberg one night, in the rain. I was in the passenger seat eying his speedometer (with white knuckles) while he chatted with my sister and operated the radio looking for traffic reports …and we got passed, very fast, by someone in the passing lane.
     
  15. 4th_gear

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    The F12 is so expensive that you can be sure the insurance company is bound to fix this one. ;)
     
  16. Flo400

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    No. The two other cars were slowing down due to construction works and the F12 driver didn't realize that. Dirvers fault.

    As written above, lanes in Germany are 'sorted' by speed. this way you can go 169-170 mph fairly often. However, thats only if there are cars in front of you a bit further away, passing other cars at that speed on your right is still dangerous. People look into their rear mirror, but it's still hard to see that your car is approaching that fast.

    The "closing of gaps" is the best part if you have a fast car. You can't go 170 mph for a long time but you'll reach that any day even in traffic.
     
  17. NürScud

    NürScud F1 Veteran

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    Michael this is not necessary. I believe it is fixable but the only difficulty maybe will be to find used parts for the car considering it's a new model.
     
  18. 4th_gear

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    Hmmm? :confused:

    I'm not sure what the practice is at your location and I would be very surprised regardless but here in Canada and I'm sure in Germany as well, insurance repairs on such cars would only employ new parts. Why would any insurance company even consider used parts to repair such an expensive new car? The liability risk from a used part failure causing injury or death would be very problematic.

    It is an issue of necessity because insurance companies cannot afford to write off a $400k car even if it should cost $100k to repair.
     
  19. NürScud

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    Well in a point you've got right. Here the things are a little bit different but due to crisis all the insurance companies are making some changes for that thing. But i know at least two cases including a Murcielago and a Gallardo that insurance paid the appropriate amount of money to the owners. Both of the accidents are similar with the F12 incident.
     
  20. 4th_gear

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    #20 4th_gear, Aug 12, 2013
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    I think what you probably witnessed were situations where the owners did not want a repaired Lambo - and who would blame them? Instead they opted for their insurance companies to pay them the residual value of the cars. The insurance company then ended up owning the wrecks.

    But it doesn't mean their insurance companies would have trashed the cars. If they were only damaged like this F12, insurance companies would repair them and sell them to wholesalers who might export and resell them in another country where buyers are not as picky about buying a repaired Lambo or Ferrari.
     
  21. NürScud

    NürScud F1 Veteran

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    I understand what do you mean.
     
  22. Garretto

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    Very possibly the previously spotted dark blue matte as commented in the picture thread.
     
  23. Yoonyah

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    that was also my best guess - but I was afraid to think about that possibiltiy.
     

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