So Scuderia owners, are you upgrading to the 458 Specialé?

Who's in? And will it be in replacement of or an addition to your 430 Scuderia?

 

Nope. If I did, would be after the first new fickle owner has it for 4 years and "only 1000 miles" and I get it for $100,000 -$150,000 off original price!

 

Is there an estimated MSRP published yet???

 

no

 

Considering the car is not standard with all the carbon the Scud came with, I am sure it will be pushing 370k plus when optioned out with a carbon package like a scud. We shall see.

With the above said and looking at the new car, while performance will be amazing something about the front end of the car looks forced/try hard to me.

The way I see it very few scud owners will be running out to buy the 458S.

The Scud is going to be a keeper for many, myself included.

 

240K euros here in Europe

 

It's very tempting with the performance figures that have been thrown out there but I think I will need to see it in order to decide. The looks from the press pictures don't have me convinced but the performance figures do. I will most likely keep the scud and I am thinking the pricing on scuds will go up once the speciale comes out, the gap is to big and scud prices are to close to cs prices.

 

Base, the number $330-340 USD was tossed around. fyi: there is zero exterior carbon on the car now and pricing for that sort of stuff is still tbd.

 

The performance is a difference thats for sure. But, I just still have a ball every time Im in my Scuderia.

In regards to looks the Scuderia for me looks so much better then the F430. The 485 is a HOT looking car. I really expected more from Specialé to be even better looking then the 458. But I think the 458 looks better in my opinion.

Maybe when I see one in the flesh it might all change. But your talking a huge amount of $$$ for a not amount of difference in performance.

For people that dont own anything, the Scuderia I think is the best valued Ferrari right now.

 

+1. I will wait until close to the end of the run, when all the performance/lightweight options are available.

 

Interesting question, but I suspect it is the wrong audience. The earliest Scuds are about 5 years old....which seems like an eternity for a new-ish exotic. So I suspect most of the owners here are not the original owners. As such, they purchased the car at a large discount for the most part, say about $210k.

Huge difference between $210k and $350k. Not to get into anyone's business, but I can imagine finances playing a part why most who own Scuds right now are not probably original owners.

 

I agree, I think Scud prices will be going up, so people on the sidelines you better act quick, If the rumored price of 458S is 340 base once you add the carbon it will push (like I said) 370 plus maybe up to 390k. This high price along with that forced look? And god maybe I am the odd one here but the stripe looks wrong, it's way wide/fat and looks wrong. The front has a bit of ford gt thing going on.

Either way amazing performance and a sweet car just will be a very acquired taste which will also be more reason less will jump out of scud into 458s.

Time will tell but for now I think the looks have disappointed some potential buyers.

 

With all the dealer ordered/mandated options, I'm pretty sure no one will be seeing them for much under $400K MSRP. Performance...is becoming somewhat irrelevant these days IMHO. All of the modern F cars (and most P cars) are so fast and great handling that there is virtually no place to put them to the ultimate test; certainly not on the public streets. In California (and many other states) you are looking at the possibility of a second degree murder charge ("circumstances attending the killing show and abandoned and malignant heart") if someone is killed when you are out flogging your beautiful Horse. Even if no one is killed, civil liabilities and consequences can be disastrous.

The 458S could likely take a $120K to $150K first year or two hit, like Scuds, and that's another storm you'll need to weather.

I still get the biggest smile on my face every time I start my Scud and that smile stays there the whole time I drive it. Until that is no longer the case, I see no need to make a change.

 

Agreed....on the street, you can barely extract most of the performance of a Scud without breaking some serious laws. The Speciale will be that much faster, but I'm wondering in what street setting the performance can be enjoyed.

Now on the track, the S will certainly be a beast, but I've tracked my 16M once and probably won't anymore for fear of any risks of pushing it on track.

 

Our friend Mike is laughing at anyone who believes any modern Ferrari will retain any value or who engages in wasted dialogue on such a topic.

In any event, after driving the Atlanta Motorsport course last week, I agree there are few places short of Road Atlanta you can open up even my spindly 430S.

 

Been watching prices on 360 CS's lately? Better yet, Enzos!

I'm old enough to say that I bought my first 246 Dino (it was 2 years old at the time) for under $4K. In those days, no one thought it would be worth a whole lot more. After all, real Ferraris had 12 cylinders I remember being in Madrid in 1975 and looking at a 330 GTS that was for sale at $9K and thinking it was a bit overpriced.

Modern Ferraris may eventually become classics and classics can be worth a great deal of money. That's why I don't laugh when the discussion inevitably turns to speculation on which modern Ferrari will become the next "must have" classic.

 

lets talk in 5 years

 

Maybe 8-10yrs, since the 458 Specialé is a 3-production-year run.

 

Aw come on Eddie. I know you can do better than that!

 

[QUOTE. Now on the track, the S will certainly be a beast, but I've tracked my 16M once and probably won't anymore for fear of any risks of pushing it on track.[/QUOTE]

Eddie, would you mind elaborate that statement please?

 

i want to see it first to decide, numbers wise its amazing and I like the aerodynamics/gadgetry that they have in the front and rear bumpers.

 

A replacement? Never, the scud is a unique car. I'm not stupid and sell this car again.

An addition? Maybe, but the 458 has to prove his capabilities first, at the moment so many things are written. And until now, the standard 458 has so far not convinced me...

 

I am going to stay with the scud. I love the way it drives and the way it looks. The 458S is out of my price range but the 458 is not. Many scud owners have moved to the 458, which is a wonderful car. I looked at them both at the FCA annual event and I like the exterior style of the scud better along with the striking interior and the more exposed engine. I thought I would move to the 458 also, but now I am very satisfied withe the scud. It has the race car feel, look and excitement. Going for a drive tomorrow, cant wait.

 

Eddie, would you mind elaborate that statement please?[/QUOTE]

It was great seeing you at the track!!!
Well I guess when I'm on track, I like to push hard and at the limit of the car, but that involves risk. Some say if you're at the track you have to be able to walk away from totaling your car. I'm not willing to do that with a Ferrari.
I can do that with my Lotus and therefore race wheel to wheel in the Lotus series - which is where the real fun is: W2W

Segue way to the 458S - it will be a very special car indeed. As it is designed for "race" performance, I don't think I would ever track a near $400k car (I'd fear even a rock chip in the windshield). So a 458S on the street would be a serious show car of which little of its performance would be recognized.

I am very happy with the 16M with it's already crazy fast performance, visceral feel and feeling it more with the top down. I already fear getting a ticket in this car let alone a 458S.

But who knows, in a couple of years, things always evolve

 

Why is that? Will the 599GTO not be a collector or the enzo??