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  1. joe sackey

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    Can you tell us when & where this pic was taken?
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    As Joe previously mentioned, non-pleated all leather door panels were stock for 1975 930’s. In most period photos, '75 930 interiors had tartan dress and it’s hard to notice that there are no pleats on the cloth door panels. Additionally, the lower rear deck panels on '75 930’s were not pleated.

    Modern Motor magazine's February 1975 issue featured the new turbo; “Porsche Mit Turbo” with photos of preproduction S-CD 1337. The issue also had a test of the '75 Carrera with a photo that shows the same style door panel as the '75 930’s. '75 911’s and Carreras had this same style interior as '75 930's but what made the Turbo’s unique was an all leather (with or without tartan and leather dash) interior.
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    Excellent, thanks for sharing. Speaking of classes, my understanding is that the 1975 930 is the Homologation car to qualify the 1976 934 for FIA Group 4 Racing. Can you shed any light on this?
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    Joe - I have not seen much on the subject of which 930’s were used to homologate 934’s and 935’s for the 1976 and 1977 seasons. Michael Cotton’s, “Porsche 911 Turbo” book has this reference for the 1975 model year: “Production did begin in April 1975, and by the time the 1975 model had run out in August a total of 273 cars had been produced for the European markets, well on the way to the planned 400 needed for homologation.” I’m not sure if this reference is correct as I don’t believe the ‘75 production started in Apr ‘75 and ended in Aug ‘75. Additionally, preproduction 930’s should have also counted for the 400 total (‘75 model year total of 284 vs. 273).

    The September 2012 issue of Excellence magazine has a detailed article on the 1st U.S. 1976 930, chassis number 9306800011 and includes an image of a letter from Porsche AG stating that 0011 was one of two 930’s built in April/May '75 that were used for homologation purposes in the U.S. by Messrs Volkswagen of American. Were there 1976 930’s built in April and May of 1975? Does this imply that the remainder of 400 for homologation were ’76 RoW models (114 total)?
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    My ’75 930 in the pits at the track event during the Porsche Parade, July 1975 (photo courtesy Fred Veitch). Car is on Goodyear slicks with 7” and 9” RSR wheels (long gone) where it won its class. Porsche Parade number “224” one number away from the 911 with “223” shown in post 1521.
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    idart, very nice to have period photos of your 75 turbo, very interesting.

    I believe that the 274 (or 273) production number for 1975 is the more accurate. The numeration of the chassis numbers of the production cars at Porsche has always started from 0011, the 10 before were retained for prototypes.
    Like the first 76MY cars were produced before the summer of 75, a few pre-production cars might be produced in late 74, mainly press cars like the red RHD car that was given to test to the UK magazines. I have the assembly sheet of my car (#0109) and it has been produced on April 9, 1975.

    The car that was presented at the IAA in Frankfurt is not a "turbo" prototype in the true sense...it's a 73 S chassis with a turbo mock-up engine. The car was later converted to a RSR and sold to a client in Australia, was for sale a few years ago.

    On the interior, the Turbo as the top car for Porsche, was available in any interior combination, and full leather was standard, with tartan an option for seat centres only or for full interior.

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    I think so.
     
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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the very early 75 cars have the oil lines running over the top of the fan?
     
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    Thanks Andrea - very nice that you have the assembly sheet for your car and we can learn the production date for a 1975 930. In the U.S., PCNA does not provide this information on the COA and the Kardex information is not available. For U.S. delivered 1970's 930's, the production date is on the door jam VIN decal so the production date is not a mystery.
     
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    I have copy of the typed invoices for the following US turbo carrera. If anyone has the car and needs the copy I would gladly send them over.

    9306800388 delivered through Johnson-Bozzani in Pheonix, in 1976

    Also have the following original, not a copy, invoice:

    9307800428 delivered through Glrn Volkswagen Corp in Middletown, NY in 1977
     
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    My ’75 930 at Motor Sports Park, summer 1975, Pueblo, Colorado. For the track event, it’s still on Goodyear slicks and RSR wheels.

    Andial in California modified this turbo for track use in early 1975 with a trunk strut brace, racing harness mounts and transmission final gear ratio change - note the Andial frame on the 1975 Colorado license plate. I’m not usually a fan of modified 930’s but in this case, these early mods are very nice to have considering the history of Andial and Porsche.

    Photos courtesy of Fred Veitch - upper photo from left to right: David Donner (Pike’s Peak Hill Climb open wheel winner; 2nd time attack in Porsche Cup Car – 2013), Fred Veitch, Bob Donner (class winner on Pike’s Peak Hill Climb in 1960 & 1961 in a Porsche 550/RSK, ex. factory driver) and the late Bobby Donner III (died later in a racing accident).
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    nice pics

    2.7 turbo? wooden intake turbo. i know of a gentleman in the porsche styling department that drew up the graphix and prep the car of that very 73 paris show car. next time i bump into him i have a batch of questions to run through him in regards to the drivetrain.

    thnaks for posting
     
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    great period photo....looks like u are clipping the apex perfectly!
     
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    Joe, Rich, anyone...is there a 3.0 turbo carrera registry?
     
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    Thanks but the racecar driver in the photo is Fred Veitch and not me. I’m probably about the fifth owner of this survivor. Sadly, the attrition rate for other U.S. ’75 930’s that were grey market imported is probably quite high as many were rusted and left for dead, slant nose converted, 3.3 liter engine upgraded, etc. Chassis number 9305700089 was for sale in several 1988 issues of Panorama with a final sale price of $15,990. Just a few months later, it was in the Jan ‘89 Panorama with a 3.3 liter tail and a $20K asking price.
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    Excellent job Ryan, you can add 75 turbo #0122 (gran prix white with red tartan interior) to the list, being restored by a friend of mine.

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