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Buying help yes again 348 or 355 and more

Discussion in '348/355' started by kderacing, Sep 20, 2013.

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  1. kderacing

    kderacing Karting

    Sep 18, 2013
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    First of all I'm new here just started looking as I'm considering the purchase of my first Ferrari. Also certain members and they know who they are aren't allowed to respond because they have a biased opinion since one of the cars is from a board member here.

    So here is my difficult situation. I drove a 355 manual spider with Tubi exhaust. This one is at a local dealer so no travel involved in picking it up and is priced to move with documented service just over 1 year ago. I LOVED the sound of this car even more so than a 360 I drove with stock exhaust. However given the brass valve guides and general greater complexity of all the various electronics, suspension, seats and power convertible top. There is more that is expensive when it goes wrong. Also 5 valves per cylinder and the brass valve guides a little bit higher known failure points.

    Next up is #68 out of #100 black Series Speciale this car should be known by some around here since this car is owned by a member who bought it from another member. I don't have to tell anyone here how beautiful that car is. Now the challenge the location of that car is extremely far away from me and we're trying to overcome that. Lane is being very cooperative (Thank you!). This one is under PPI right now and I'm confident in this car. The problem I haven't had a chance to drive the 348 model yet and I don't know what the more open exhaust of the 348SS sounds like. I'm going to try and get to a dealer that has a standard 348 over the weekend to at least get a better feel for the model overall.

    Then option #3 is a well documented and closer 348 spider not an SS. Also priced cheaper and has lower miles than the SS edition. I originally wanted a coupe in whatever model I was going to buy but none of these are. Two of the 3 are convertibles and the SS is the targa. So the targa is closer to the coupe so I like that. I love the seats in the SS. The SS as people have seen here that I am looking at is a great example of one and I love the aftermarket wheels and the stance it has. Ok sounds like my decision is made right? Well not exactly the 355 I can remember seeing in the showroom back in 1998 not the exact one I'm looking at, but a brand new one. I remember I was in the beginning of my career at that time and I just went to dream. I remember the dealer asking me if he could help me and I responded "No I'll never be able to afford that car" now, here I am no not new but still. There is a memory aspect to it.

    I personally do like the look of the 355 better than the 348, but the SS looks better than a standard 348 especially the one that is for sale here. I like the simpler design of the 348. No seat ECU's, no electronic suspension, no power top to break, etc... etc... Then it gets even more difficult because I liked the steering in the 360, the 355 definitely wasn't as sharp, and I haven't driven it but obviously without power steering I would expect the 348 to be more of what I want in relation to road feel.

    I'm trying to get to a decision point soon and man I know it's a good problem to have. But I cannot decide which Ferrari to buy. LOL "Words I never thought would come out of my mouth"

    Anyway any help you guys can offer is greatly appreciated. Lane you're prohibited from posting :D BTW He has been very very good throughout my emotional roller coaster of decision making. Thank you again Lane! Sorry my decision is so hard to make. Oh yeah and given the distance to the SS I'm trying to decide quickly because if it's that one I have to make flight arrangements, work out transportation logistics, etc....
     
  2. bobzdar

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    Drive a 348 first. Then drive a hard top 355 (as that sounds like what you really want). If you want the higher effort steering in the 355, there are a couple of options. You can de-power the stock rack, replace it with a manual rack (requires steering shaft as well) or put a challenge rack in. I like the 355 steering as it weights up nicely when the car is pushed yet is easy to drive at slow speeds and isn't hard work in normal driving. Where are you located? Somebody may be able to help you out with trying a hard top.

    If you have any plans of doing track days, don't buy a convertible. Many groups won't allow them on track without a cage and they are heavier and more flexible.
     
  3. bikz

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    in every other department besides the rear end looks, the 348 wins hand down...... the stiff 2nd gear when cold irritates me from time to time in the 348....besides that, the 355 will make you wonder while driving, " is this how a Ferrari should drive"? trust me you don't want that thought.....

    ps: if i had a choice, and in that choice there is an opportunity to get an SS, i'll jump at it....
     
  4. bobzdar

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    There are a few other departments the 348 loses in, hands down at that:

    0-60
    1/4 et and trap
    top speed
    Fiorano lap time
    braking distance
    weight

    Well, basically any measurable performance metric. It's also less comfortable. Tbh, the only place a 348 may actually be considered superior is in steering feel and looks, and both are subjective (and I disagree with both). By every single objective measure, the 355 is a better car but then it should be as it's newer.

    Op, if you truly can't decide, buy the 348 as it'll probably be cheaper (if not in purchase price, then maybe in long term maintenance costs) and there's no point spending more money for a 355 if you don't actually like the car more.
     
  5. redwedge

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    People who think the 355's steering lacks feel aren't driving it quickly enough.
     
  6. GTO Joe

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    Your review of how you arrived at this decision struck me because it is basically the opposite of what lead me to my first F car, a 348. When I decided to get an F car I looked strongly at both these models but was really concerned with the perceived 355 issues you note. What really swayed me was the past feelings I had for the 348 model. I remember how much I liked it when it was introduced and the day I was standing in a Ferrari dealership on the opposite side of the country from my home saying to myself I want one of these cars (I bought a brochure that day and still have it). First impressions are hard to ignore so don't discount your inner feelings. With that said I have looked at that black SS hear on the board and wow that is nice ride. You have a tough decision to make but you will be happy I am sure whichever way you go. Good luck.
     
  7. johnk...

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    Sorry, compared to my 308 and my Boxster my 355 steering feels very dead on center. There is no doubt that the power steering in the Boxster is the best of the 3. Good recovery and good road feel with just the right amount of effort. The 308 is very good as well, except at low speed or if you really need to put some wheel into it. 355, well it does go where you point it but there isn't a lot of feedback compared to the other 2 cars. It's more like a BMW except a BMW has better feel.

    Anyway, a little off topic. As was posted, drive the cars and see how you feel about each. Remember you can't see what it looks like when you are driving.
     
  8. tamf328

    tamf328 Formula Junior

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    I owned a 348 for 6+ yrs and now have 355. they are both nice cars but I do like driving the 355 better. performance, comfort, etc is much better in the 355. and I like having the power assist steering. been on the track in both.
    355 is better for me.... guess it just comes down to what works for you.
    wasn't the steering that bothered me with the 348 it was the seats, the shift mechanism, the A/C, the water leaks in the targa, etc.. most of which was minor, but I don't have those problems with the 355.
     
  9. vvassallo

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    #9 vvassallo, Sep 20, 2013
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    If you have the funds and get a car with issues addressed (its bronze valve guides), the 355 Berlinetta 6-speed manual is the way to go. I love my 348SS but this is a very personal choice and not one many would share. I have driven both cars and I love the way the 348SS handles and it is essentially as quick as a 355, after my mods, within the speeds I drive.

    The greatest differences are that the 355 generates more power higher in the rev range, requiring you to spin the engine up to get it versus the 348 motor and the 6-speed gear box. Hard to beat the wail of a 355 at red line too. The suspensions are different in that the 348 is harder, especially if you are in an SS with the kevlar seats and swapping the 17" wheels for 18's.

    It is considerably lower tech than the 355, but then it isn't as finnicky in terms of repairs or failures. As for appearance, well, it's pretty hard to say the 355 is not drop dead gorgeous while the 348SS is harder and more aggressive looking. Some say it appears more dated while the 355 is timeless. To each their own.

    Given the price point I'd look for a good 355 GTB right now. That, to me, is the enthusiast's choice. The SS is not for everyone, nor is it the collector's item we owners wished. It might be at some point and if you are going to own a 348, it might as well be an SS or Challenge model. The 355, on the other hand, is universally recognized for its design and performance as iconic. Also it's the last V-8 model made by hand, the 360 going robotic. It is also the most techincal in terms of engineering with its 8 throttle bodies, 60 valves and exhaust by-pass.
     
  10. ghardt

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    If you buy the black 348SS. You won't be disappointed. The SS is bad a$$ in black. I've owned my SS for 12 years and will never sell it. However, I would consider 95 355 to add to the mix. 348 is a raw car (like Enzo liked it). 355 lends itself to the hair style crowd. Also, a 348 with test pipes and a Kreissieg exhaust is nearly the same sound as a 355 (I have proof in my garage).
     
  11. Rob'Z

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    This.


    It feels perfect on a twisty road and beyond perfect on a track.
     
  12. Rob'Z

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    If the F355 has stock exhaust or Tubi, yes. If the F355 has Capristo/Kreissieg/Mille Miglia,MS Racing/Gruppe M, no.
     
  13. cuneo

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    Agree! F355 with any of those has demonic sound but clean and pure at the same time.
    348 doesn't have the same shriek.
     
  14. Chupacabra

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    Drive them both and see which feels better. Feel is the key as everyone here knows a C6 corvette will roast both models in most cases. I used to own a C6, now I have a 348. It is my opinion that speed is fun, but only up to a point and herculean acceleration and top end are certainly not worth the expense of an exciting, visceral, and "plugged in" feel. IMO, of course. The first time I drove a 348, I knew it was for me, and there was no question. You'll easily know which speaks to you more if you pay close attention.

    They are both "old" cars, so go into this with your eyes wide open and try not to be under the prancing horse ether. You have to love the car for its quirks and relative uniqueness. For instance, I love the shift feel of the 348, something many complain about. I am very proud of my ability to navigate the gates swiftly and smoothly as that is something that must be earned.

    So, don't worry about which is "better". A 996 911 is a fantastic car, faster and stickier than the 993, but if you put a 993 in front of me I'm going to take it every time (though I know that's not exactly an unpopular opinion). It's all very personal, so choose your own path.

    My .02 :)
     
  15. kderacing

    kderacing Karting

    Sep 18, 2013
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    Thanks again for all the responses, after much consideration and probably too much analysis I have decided to go with the 355. Picked up a 1998 Spyder that has good service records to it reasonable mileage at just over 22k and came with some nice extras including a car cover. I'll get pictures posted soon and it's a strange experience lots of excitement lots of worry about making the right choice. But driving it clears everything up quickly. It has the tubi exhaust on it and sounds sooooo good.

    I appreciate all the assistance everyone here offered. I also appreciate Lane working with me on his 348 and I wish him the best of luck that is a nice car. The 355 was just the model I wanted. I also had some good help and advice from the guys at LFSC here in the Chicago area. Giovanni at autosprint was very helpful I'll probably wind up getting the car serviced there. I know it sounds like an awards show, but the most impressive part of my search was how extremely helpful all the people were that I talked to. I must have spoken to a dozen different Ferrari dealers nationwide about a variety of different cars and every last one of them were friendly and helpful. I also spoke to shop who performed the service on this car 1 1/2 yrs ago again friendly and helpful.

    I think it will take a while before the reality of this truly sets in. I go to the garage and I still can't believe it's there.
     
  16. Saint Bastage

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    Happy to help in what ever way I did. Good luck Dave...Enjoy her. The smile never stops.
     
  17. bobzdar

    bobzdar F1 Veteran

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    Congrats! Good choice!
     
  18. kderacing

    kderacing Karting

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  19. Rob'Z

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    Grigio Titanio, mmmmmmm.
     
  20. GTO Joe

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    Looking good! :)
     
  21. Chupacabra

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