The (one and only) '0846' Debate Thread

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Amazing picture Jim.. Both of your cars..writing history..!

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Greg

 

Event is in 8 days folks - benefits The Possibility Project
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Thanks to Chris Roush for publishing my Article on 0846 in Ferrari Market Letter.

 

Having just opened my digital FML today for and read the story, I have to comment. I have just spent the entire first half (and the 3rd quarter) of the OKC and San Antonio game completely ignoring the game and reading this thread. What a treat. There are many threads on FC where I say to myself "there is 10 minutes of my life I will never get back."

Not so with this thread. It is entertaining and very, very interesting.

Here are my observations . . . there is a tendency on this board to defer to Napolis, as many of us--me included--have a deep appreciation for his passion for cars. Some on this board are out and out "brown nosers," who think the sound of Napolis breaking wind is akin to Mozart. I roll my eyes at these posters.

I love his passion and I love his willingness to share his experiences with those of us on this board, but let's be straight here. Napolis is human and subject to human foibles.

I guess the skeptic in me makes me suspicious of anything that seems too good to be true and I am suspicious of those among us who seemingly do good for good's sake; who offer to do something for us without recourse. Having been in the investment and real estate business for over 20 years, I have "seen it all" and I am immune to do-gooders.

With that background in mind, I have to say this . . . Napolis has made his case as convincingly as it can be made. He has provided as much evidence as can be presented--and has relied on information that is decades old--information that predates any interest he had in this car by decades. (I know, many of you are now going to accuse me of being a brown-noser!)

Follow me here . . . those who believe Obama was not born in Hawaii have to suspend disbelief on one issue--his birth announcement appeared in the local paper over 50 years ago. You can't concoct or fabricate that. And with Napolis' car, similar evidence exists that simply can't be concocted decades later.

Oh, I appreciate those purists that suggest that changing big parts in a car render it inauthentic. But the reality is that this happens all the time.

For the doubters there will never be a satisfactory measure of proof. But for these same doubters to suggest that there was some grand scheme to take some parts, throw them together and fabricate a racing history so someone can make a few million dollars--well that is just ignoring the plain facts in this thread.

I appreciate the car. I appreciate the effort to respect history. I respect the drivers who got into this very small block of metal and drove it at 200 mph. Those guys had, as David Hobbs might say, 'large attachments.' The world is a better place because the 0846 exists--at least it is for me--I am a car guy.

Oh, I'm done sucking up.

My question is this . . . had Ferrari ever made a statement one way or the other on this car? I tried to read all the posts, but am keeping one eye on the basketball game.

 

Thanks!

Ferrari has definitely made statements on this car.

Over 10 years ago knowing full well that I believed I owned 0846 and was restoring her they took money and produced Tipo 603 P4 uprights on a Factory invoice to help this restoration.

Ferrari confirmed my ownership of 0846 over 10 years ago by publishing that fact with photo's of me restoring 0846 on a web site who's content is completely controlled by Ferrari after confirming in writing that before they would they had to do a complete investigation and review my documents and photo's. 0846 remains on Ferrari's website today and has continuously for over 10 years.

After being given legal notice of their duty to act, over 10 years ago, if they believed that the chassis remains of 0846 were not the base of my restoration and claim of ownership of 0846 they declined to challenge that claim nor have ever challanged that claim.

When Luca met with Andrea and first viewed what came to be officially named
Ferrari P 4/5 by Pininfarina in front of witnesses he asked Andrea what the story was with me and 0846. Andrea told him that basically I had retrieved the chassis remains of 0846 and other original parts of 0846 and had restored her. Luca replied:

"We threw a car away and he found and restored it? That's funny.
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Thanks.

You have both evidence and the law on your side--or at least as much law as one can have in this situation. Makes one wonder at the agenda of those who challenge your car's provenance.

The important thing is that you have a wonderful car.

 

Having a wonderful car that I'll pass on to my kids is all that matters.

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Hi Dad!

 

Oh, really !?

 

Never mind.
It's just a "family" thing.

 

He did say kids!!! So can i be a candidate two?

 

I am just waiting to see which one of you will volunteer to be his next wife?









I'm just kidding!

 

If i need to put a skirt and a wigg to get a p3/4...so be it!!!!

ok, let´s not take it that far!!!!

 

What do you get when you cross a pig with a lawyer?

Nothing. There are some things a pig will not do.




(I am a lawyer, so I can tell this.)

 

some photos of 0846 on ebay

http://www.ebay.com/sch/asa1960/m.html?_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D234161175984514204%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26&item=160830361021&rt=nc&_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trksid=p4340.l2562

copyright is in the pictures
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Note Chassis # and that Ferrari has identified it as being owned by me. This listing is published solely at Ferrari's discretion on a web page copyrighted by Ferrari. Ferrari placed chassis # 0846 on this page and identified me as the owner in 2000 and this has continuously appeared on Ferrari's web page and earlier generations of this page since Ferrari began Publishing this website.
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That's pretty awesome!

 

Hell yeah..!!

 

That's proof enough for anyone, straight from the horse's mouth so to speak.

 

I do not know if these pictures have already been released here, but when in doubt

je ne sais pas si ces images ont déjà été diffusées ici, mais dans le doute

Monza 1966 practice private: 330 P3/4 "0846"

http://brunodaytona67.canalblog.com/archives/2010/12/15/19880470.html#trackbacks

TSR television

http://www.rts.ch/archives/tv/information/continents-sans-visa/3468047-enzo-ferrari.html

 

From the same session. No helmets required.
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Also looks like one of the 206 Dino doing a 360. Yes? tongascrew

 

Thanks for posting these fabulous links. Is it Mike Parkes in the video footage driving the P3/4?