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  1. rhodeislandmodena

    Oct 27, 2013
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    hi guys i am new to the ferrari world and had some issues with my 2000 modena. i had the slow down light come up and it was the coil pack that needed to be replaced. fixed it and then no issues. few weeks later i was spraying down my engine and it was done it started fine and i ran it. when i parked it and came back out and started it, it sounded horrible like it had no power at all. put it in gear almost stalled. limped up the road a mile and parked it finally. let it dry out and it sounded a little better and then nothing. had it towed to a garage and replaced all the packs. he started it up forgetting to let it idle normal for twenty minutes and let ecu relearn everything. so the problem turned out that we had no spark in cylinder 5, and 7. he thinks its ecu. what do you guys think?
     
  2. vrsurgeon

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    So this is what I gather:
    - Told to "Slow Down" and turned out to be a bad coil pack (sounds about right)
    - Sprayed down engine and then shorted things and then ran crappy until it did not run at all
    - Took it to "a shop" and they replaced all the coil packs afterwhich it ran?
    - Still don't have spark in 5+7 after all this?

    Who is this Shop? Do they service FCars or are they a bimmer/Porsche/ Meinecke shop?
    My experience is the ECU's are pretty robust, it's usually a sensor or bad wiring in the loom. Intuitively, if the ECU for a bad goes bad.. I'd expect all the plugs in that bank not to fire. not just 1 or 2. Did they test the connector at the coil for voltage?

    Did they replace all the spark plugs as well? If 5+7 have a fouled plug, you're replacing the coil but still have a crappy plug. Were you spraying water near the air intake? If your gaskets are bad you could be getting some water or air into the cylinder affecting combustion.

    Coils are a common issue, esp. after you pressure wash the engine bay or use engine degreaser. Some other cars may have issues with the ECU.. but I don't think its that common.. they are located under the engine cover panel on each side of the engine FYI.

    So he didn't rreset it and let it relearn. Do it again and see where you stand. What's wrong with it now?
     
  3. mello

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    I would plug in a scanner and check if there is a pending code.
     
  4. Trent

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    The quality and quantity of help you receive on FChat is a direct reflection of the quality and quantity of information provided regarding the issue. I am recommending you take a little time and outline the issue, order of events, CE codes (if any), etc.
     
  5. rhodeislandmodena

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    Replaced ecu myself after taking it back from garage. It was a race mechanic. But not a ferrari certified tech. I haven't done plugs. That will be be next. I replaced battery and lh ecu. Fired up. Sounded much better. Ran and idled for 15 minutes. Then it stalled and was hard to start again. Would take a long crank and fuel to start. Then if I let up it would die. Just like it did when it was missing banks 5 and 7. Could it just still be fouling those plugs. Or is it likely bad wires? I am kinda at a loss now. After I powerwashed it it ran ok until I parked it. That's when the issues arose. Where should I go from here. I appreciate all you veterans help. This is my first ferrari. Better yet first high performance automobile ever.
     
  6. BluNart

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    A couple shops just over the boarder in MA with an OB2 and experience to help you sort things out before winter comes. Think of bringing to another shop?
     
  7. vrsurgeon

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    It's time. When things get like this you might just need to bring it in to someone that has a proper SD2 or Leonardo scanner.

    I wonder if it's ignition or fuel mixture... Replace the plugs and take pics of how the tips look and paste them here. The tips should be nice and white ash.

    Any OBD2 scanner codes? Any check engine light? I can't imagine its running like this and not giving you a code at least as a result of the running..
     
  8. Philcat

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    I know on other vehicles, if you wash the engine and cause spark issues the plugs WILL be fouled and have to be cleaned or replaced. I've seen this on other non Ferrari engines. BMW, Miata, etc... Cheapest and easiest first pass fix.
     
  9. Tim1137

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    What shop was it? Your in my neck of the woods.

    I would bring the car up to AMNE or IFS. Both are less than 2 hours from you.
     
  10. rhodeislandmodena

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    I took it to some motorsports place in Warwick Rhode Island. More damage than good I feel. Guy got mad irritated and I went and got my car back with a flatbed. I changed plugs. They definitely looked fouled on some of them. I drained ecu memory by flipping battery switch for a few hours. After a cold spell it starts right up no fuel. Doesn't sound great tho. I let the key stay on for 5 minutes to learn all the settings. Then I started it and let it sit. Now after running for 10 minutes it does out and won't start without holding fuel peddle again. Any suggestions for good mechanics that could get to this ASAP. I really want to drive this before winter. Maybe it needs to be remapped? When I give it gas. It's not exactly responsive. It hesitates then revs up and then does again.
     
  11. rhodeislandmodena

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    Also p1632 was the code it came up with.
     
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    P1632: CAN-interface: Timeout Electronic Clutch (KUP): Bank 2

    Check CAN line
    Check CAN impedance= 60 ohms
    Check marelli F1 ecu error.

    Now you know the issue is with bank 2. CAN bus is the communications line that the ECU uses to communicate with the various components in the car.

    Sounds like there is an issue with the connection possibly to the F1 transmission ECU. There are a million connections and interconnections on the electronics in the car. Try taking off the panel behind the passenger seat. The big electronic box there is the F1 ECU. try reseating the connections. Otherwise, consider a short in the wiring loom giving you this error. A SCAN WITH AN SD2 is NOT A BAD IDEA! ;) Might be some codes not showing on the OBD2..
     
  14. GCNSX

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    Do yourself a favor and take the car to Ferrari New England. Everyone is scared of dealers, but these guys are good. I am in RI also and have a 360. They have worked on my car since day one, and reviewing the records they have fixed a variety of issues quickly and reasonably. If anyone has seen your problem before, it's them.
     
  15. rhodeislandmodena

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    Gonna take it to ifs in Massachusetts on Tuesday. But playing around now I still don't have spark on banks 5 and 7 after replacing ecu. Thinking it could just be loose wire now. I don't know. At the end of my options. Do you think ferrari of New England is better choice? I hear good things about both.
     
  16. Dan87951

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    Exactly the reason to never power wash an engine!
     
  17. vrsurgeon

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    When it's an issue like this, there is some hunting that required. Better tools like the scanner can help isolate things like any wiring issues faster than you can do it on your own in the garage.

    Just watch out that they don't give you the line... "well lets just replace the engine wiring loom and see where that goes". YOU could do that. They should give you some better clue isolating the problem, and then take it from there.
     
  18. rhodeislandmodena

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    It's at IFS now in Massachusetts. Hooked it to Sd scanner. Didn't show anything yet. Needs a couple hours of old fashioned diagnosing now. Hopefully it's something simple. They said my whole left bank isn't firing now. Could be a pump. Or a sensor sensor shutting down that bank. Hopefully it's not crazy. I don't have tons of money to throw at a summer car in the winter. First snow today. Lol. Thanks everyone who suggests ideas. And the ecu I put in was for an F1 paddle shift. They are really nice at this garage and really know these cars. Hopefully they have her up and running in no time.
     
  19. vrsurgeon

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    Crank position sensor might shut down that bank....
     
  20. rhodeislandmodena

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    And they don't think the wash had anything to do with it. Lol
     
  21. rhodeislandmodena

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    He might of mentioned crank position sensor. Something throwing off the timing possibly.
     
  22. Tim1137

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    Please update us when the problem is resolved

    I work about a half mile from IFS and I have visited a few times, great place!
     
  23. rhodeislandmodena

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    Basically telling me left side valves are bent. Shredded timing belt on one side. Saying its 20k to fix. I don't understand how this could have happened.
     
  24. Chiaroman

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    Yikes!!!

    How exactly does a belt get shredded???

    I hope some chimes with an answer!!!
     
  25. rhodeislandmodena

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    Me too. I am just so miffed as to how it could have all happened.
     

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