LOL!!!! Moral of the story.....if your car is giving your trouble, try the logical things first. (Are the stooges installing a gold kit on that Harley?) I cant stop looking at this thread because I truly want to find out what is wrong with Kettel's car. Did we get new O2 sensors yet?
Yes, ketel put in new O2 sensors and new Cat temp monitor units (post #190). Though he still hasn't changed his thermostat, and I don't think we know the health of his catalytic converters. At Stoogefest, Ozzy rerouted ketel's spark plug wires, and also figured out that ketel had his O2 sensors hooked up backwards. Oz swapped the O2 sensor connectors and the car immediately started running better. Ketel, don't quit you'll get it figured out.
Interesting. Where did you get $2900? It's only 1185 pounds from eurospares uk....that's 1900$. Would take a lot less time too. I have found that the European pricing kills the US.....it's not even close anymore. Last time I even asked one of the US parts guys if their advertised price was correct, they didn't even respond....so I just ordered from Europe. I think the US parts suppliers just assume we have way too much money burning holes in our pockets.....
On that note. Why not a "good" used loom from a wrecked car? Then while his car is running on the used loom, and if he wants to, he can really go through the current loom and make sure everything is perfect. But that would mean he would have to tear the current loom out of the car. Anyway. Ketel we want your car to run right.
Oz and Plugzit went through all that. Cats are functioning. Can't remember if there was a T-stat issue but they were testing for that too but I was not around for the result. Oz wasn't rerouting as I remember but the wires are sectional. So the heads unscrew and the wire can be cut and restriped and the heads screwed back on for better connections. Oz fixed that. By the time Socal Tim was leaving we were out of time and pretty certain the remaining issues are in the terminal connections as convinced by the dramatic elimination of codes when the worst offending pins were refurbished. All the remaining codes were associated with new parts Ketel replaced. That basically leaves the harness and very suspect terminals as pictured. I'm not sure why people are talking about new wiring harness? Many here believe there is nothing wrong with the 355 harness so why think about buying a new one. Some Others who do believe there is an issue think it is fine to solve it with $10 bucks worth of tin pins. Those who think there is a problem why would you use the same defective harness any more than you would buy new interior parts from Ferrari that will just get sticky? A new harness doesn't make any sense to me and is not an easy replacement. I have done that before and it is no fun. I also laugh at the "engineers" who "look" at two gold pins and conclude that they are the same. They could be the same then I would have egg all over my face. Why not prove this "GCK bully" wrong and show us some metallurgical analysis and some clamp strengths for the two pins? No proof? Then I guess some are just talking.... I guess some of those engineers are just fine with counterfeit bolts or counterfeit FAA plane parts because they look the same and are so much cheaper. That is perfectly fine for your car go for it. Putting in the gold kit is a real pain in the rear. It takes a lot of time and effort. It is perfectly fine to do all that effort and use cheap pins. However, We know the SRI pins work. There are more cars retrofitted with SRI pins than with any other homebrew scenarios. There is proven longevity with SRI. When we get some more data on someone's tin pin or budget gold pin kit we will all be waiting for the results. The best thing everyone can do is vote with their wallet. Good luck to you all.
FBB....the pics you posted show a factory terminal with one clamp. Fine, we agree it's not the best. Look carefully at the pic JohnK posted....it has an extra clamp on each side (the tin outside of the gold) this is called a "modified spring" jpt that has the higher clamping force. And yes, they are 28 cents. Don't you see the difference? If you do so many harness modifications then I just can't understand why you don't just order them from mouser and see for yourself? Why would you continue to spend $1500? JohnK would happily mail you 3 ( I know he is retired, but I think he can spare a $1). You then tell us if it's different. Or would the truth be that painful? Unless you need your terminals blessed in CO, what gives?
I have to agree. Much as a pain as it would be ketel is gonna have to go through the entire harness again, or take the harness out and have someone else go through it, and make sure all the crimps are prefect.
John, take a look at this thread. http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/mondial/232589-cat-ecus-348-355-mondial-t-f-40-a.html. Not sure why the OP didn't finish out the thread.
Lets just finish it off, pick up where we left off, I LOVE electrical problems but his is simple but time consuming. If we tag team it like the Nasty Boys we'll pop it right out. I made my little black box controller, may have it installed with the new exhaust very shortly
I'm good for something in the late spring or early summer. Too many remodel projects going on at the moment to have an event and not get undo static from the wife.
Hey Grumpy Old Man: You might want to actually know what you're talking about before pontificating on a subject. I am the Intellectual Property attorney that did the patent drafting for Dave Helms and SRI. I'm also a Ph.D. research scientist, so I'm more-than capable of differentiating the currently market-available gold connectors from those that SRI supplies in its' Gold Connector Kits (GCK). I obviously would not waste the time and great expense of drafting and filing a Utility Patent Application if the GCK was merely a compilation of gold connectors which were available commercially (i.e., issues with 35 U.S.C. 102 [anticipation] and 35 U.S.C. 103 [obviousness]). Since you brought up the topic of gold connectors, I can assure you that the connectors that are used in the GCK are proprietary to SRI. The base metallurgical composition of the connectors not only provides much greater clamping force and long-term maintenance of said clamping force, it also provides a much better substrate for the subsequent aerospace-grade gold plating - which, BTW, is far thicker and more durable than ANY commercially available gold connector. Yes, each gold connector that is incorporated into the GCK undergoes a proprietary plating process and is examined before it is included in the kit. There are numerous other differences, but they are proprietary and a trade secret; thus I can not disseminate them publicly. Dave Helms at SRI spend YEARS and THOUSANDS of hours identifying, diagnosing, and solving these problems. Individuals like you that look in a catalog for "gold connectors" and then post that they've found a solution for far less money make me laugh. If it really was that easy, why did no one else identify, diagnose, and solve the problem previously? "Invention Parasites" always think it's easy to copy the work done by others before them, that is until they try to actually try to bring the invention to fruition. Lastly, your comment regarding Ketel purchasing another OEM Ferrari wiring harness shows just how little you understand the intrinsic problem that is being solved by the installation of the GKC. FChat is like a dual-edged sword. It can be a valuable resource of knowledgeable individuals using their combined intellects to solve a given problem. Conversely, it can also be a useless quagmire of individuals who know nothing of the topic of which they're posting, causing nothing but the dissemination of misinformation. Please do not be the later. BTW, I'll be more than happy to continue the conversation more in-depth if you so desire.
Maybe that's why the kit actually works and anyone that has installed it PROPERLY has no complaints and KNOWS that their car is running flawlessly. But then again Scott your post makes too much sense and the know it all stooges will be back to slamming it as soon as Jerry Springer is over.
I have one patent and others in the works. Explain to me what is "novel" about this idea? Nothing has been invented and that means no patent will be awarded. Based on the SRI website and looking back at the way-back machine, these "Patent Pending" stats have been in place for quite some time and certainly long enough for examination and probably long enough to issue a patent. I submit the applications have been abandoned long ago...
I'll take you up on that. I got a theoretical legal question: if a customer can prove that a product is indeed off the shelf and not special, would they have a legal claim (possibly class-action) against the seller for false advertising?
I can't answer that question but I can say that stating "Patent Pending" when not, is illegal... But, "Patent Pending" status is allowable if an application is in process even if the application has no merit.
