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348 Triple Seals Issue

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  1. jim94-348

    jim94-348 Formula Junior
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    I have a leak at the triple seals. The problem is I have replaced them several times with no success. The seals look fine and I am very careful when stretching them to get them in but the leak comes back.

    Two questions:
    1. Has anyone else experienced this and how did you correct it?

    2. I have done a ton of searches for the best method to install them. Can anyone provide a link to a recommended method of replacing them that works?
     
  2. whyte

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    This may sound obvious, but have you checked the slave cylinder and seal on the throw out bearing? Do you have any damage to the clutch shaft itself? These can go bad or get worn to the point where you cannot get a good seal.

    I find it unlikely that you would botch the seals job several times in a row without some other factor involved.
     
  3. jim94-348

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    I haven't pulled this out in a few months since I have just been living with the slight leak. I hope to pull it apart again tonight or tomorrow. I am getting brake fluid out since it has no gear oil smell. There was no damage to the propeller shaft. It looked perfect.

    1. Do the triple seals retain the gear oil or brake fluid? I can't what retains what by the diagrams.
    2. How often does the shaft wear enough to leak like that?
    3. I assume it would be the clutch shaft and not the propeller shaft that wears?

    The last time I pulled it, there appeared to be oil on the splined shaft by the triple seals and I didn't see it anywhere else.
     
  4. bosshog8

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    1. Gear oil
    2. Should never wear under normal use
     
  5. jim94-348

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    If I'm seeing it on the shaft would the brake fluid most likely be coming from the seals at the throw out bearing?
     
  6. whyte

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    #6 whyte, Nov 7, 2013
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    It has been a few years since I did mine, so hopefully some other experts will chime in. Would it be possible to take some pictures?

    The system is a closed, hydraulic one, so if you have fluid leaking there has to be something that is not sealing. That limits it to either an imperfection in the seals (all of them, including the one on the bearing), or in the surfaces that the seals cover, the flange, or some imperfection in the hardware that regulates this system (i.e. the clip that prevents the slave cylinder from travelling too far.)

    Did you replace your slave cylinder? After reading your other thread in the Tech section, I remember having to replace the seal on my slave cylinder. Mine looked ok, but would not seal until it was replaced due to either wear or age, but it did not have any obvious cracks. I think it is also a directional seal, so perhaps it was installed backwards?

    Again, it's been a while since I did this, but I seem to recall being able to actuate the slave bearing with the clutch off and watch it move, so long as the clip on top of the flange is in place to prevent the slave cylinder from moving too far. If this is the case, maybe try taking the clutch off, having a friend put pressure on the pedal, and then watching the flange/slave assembly to see where the fluid is coming from?

    If it is any consolation, I have read posts from people who went through a similar process and eventually determined that it was, in fact, improper seal installation.

    I used the "card" method, where I put them around a card, then slid the card over the shaft and eased them on. There were a bit loose at the time, which concerned me, but I was told they would seal with time. That was 5 years ago, and I still have no leaks.

    This write up makes some great suggestions about ensuring that the seal grooves don't have hidden debris in them, and other little issues like that!

    My Ferrari 348 - 348 Clutch Replacement Part 2 Replacing the Triple Seals

    Don't give up. It is a notoriously tricky job sometimes. I'm just a hack, but hopefully some of this might point you in the right direction.
     
  7. AceMaster

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  8. plugzit

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    If it's not stinky smelly gear oil, it's brake fluid, which means it's a leaking TO bearing seal. Replace those, problem solved. Not rocket science to do, just release the bearing by removing the two little bolts in the retainer at the top. Be sure to put a catch pan underneath, as you'll lose some fluid.
     

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