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FAQ: Shopping for a used 360

Discussion in '360/430' started by Camdon53, Mar 31, 2008.

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  1. 360ruffy5

    360ruffy5 Rookie

    Oct 1, 2013
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    Angelo
    thank you camdon53 for the good advice
    i,m finding it very helpfull on the servh for my 360
     
  2. skywalkermd

    skywalkermd Karting

    Oct 30, 2013
    51
    I bought on ebay from a top seller and BBB A+ rating(in may) 1999 360,,,i was told NO problems and recent service I did not know of PPI(DAMN) I received it with faulty ac,,faulty lock,,no books,records, seller is WRXIN17...ebay was absolutely NO HELP nor was BBB in helping me...I would avoid ebay,this seller and( COSTA MESA AL"S of Newport beach who wont provide prior work records) unless u have a PPI(learned) and don't have a certified Ferrari dealer in your area...a $4000 lesson
     
  3. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Jan 11, 2008
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    Sorry to hear your unfortunate experience. Sometimes wisdom comes with a high price.
    Even with a PPI there are no guarantees. A number of shops are no longer doing them on cars they don't know because you can't catch everything and some folks think a good PPI means the car will never have issues and will come back angry if something unforeseeable goes south.
     
  4. Need4Spd

    Need4Spd F1 Veteran

    Feb 24, 2007
    6,678
    Silicon Valley
    I didn't read all the posts, so I apologize if this is a repost. But Aldous Voice's blog has a wealth of information on 360s. He recently got a 430 and is likely to start posting about that car as well. Quite informative. Here is his post about 360 spider tops, for example.

    Ferrari 360 Spider Roof | Aldous Voice
     
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  5. Michaelzeiss

    Michaelzeiss Karting

    May 5, 2013
    108
    Toronto
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    Michael Zzzz
    Hi there,
    I'm planning to see a Ferrari 360 yellow convertible 2001 tomorrow. I had a chance took at the car last week and the sale guy told me that I have to put $1000 down and first finalize the deal and get the paper work done and sign on the dotted line before I am able to even test drive the car. If there's any problems with the car, they will fix it. They also have no problem taking it to get the PPI. BUT no test drive is performed unless the deal is finalized and signed. What's wrong with this picture??? I've been to four non-ferrari dealers and they all say the same thing. I understand they are trying to weed out the tire kickers and the free rides but this seems like a trap for serious drivers. Any insights? Thanks!
     
  6. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Jan 11, 2008
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    There's no way I'd buy a Ferrari under those circumstances.
    Asking for a deposit is reasonable but only if its refundable.
     
  7. Camdon53

    Camdon53 Formula Junior

    Jul 18, 2006
    507
    Texas, USA
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    Jim
    My opinion of such an arrangement is not favorable. It sounds like you are being asked to purchase a complicated and expensive car without ever driving it and without an independent inspection. That doesn’t sound like a wise way to by a used Toyota, much less a Ferrari.

    I suggest you should remain completely calm, rational and very polite with the seller no matter what. If they continue insisting on a deposit before driving the car, offer something applicable towards the purchase price if you buy but refundable if you don’t buy. You can even offer for them to keep $50 (or whatever) if you don’t buy. Be absolutely certain all this is in writing, signed and dated by both parties. If the seller will not agree to this, I hope you wonder why.

    The inspection is a little trickier since it’s understandably difficult for any seller to let a car leave his shop. Allowing the seller to arrange the PPI is somewhat suspect since you don’t know the relationship between the two (i.e., the inspector may not really be independent). Do the best you can on this, but if you get an inspection of any kind be sure to get the results in writing so there is a record of what was said and done.

    And I’m sorry but a sellers word he will fix something after the car is sold is worth somewhat less than you are paying for my advice.

    In any case, I would not advise buying a Ferrari (or any other car) without at least a careful personal inspection and a test drive. If that’s just not possible in this case, walk away. There are plenty of nice 360s for sale by competent professional dealers who will be thrilled for you to inspect and drive their car(s) assuming you can convince them you are serious. And don’t kid yourself – car dealers are seldom wrong about that part. LOL!

    It’s a great car so keep looking for a situation and a car you are comfortable with. Be smart and take your time and you should be fine.
     
  8. Ryan...

    Ryan... Karting

    Nov 9, 2012
    182
    WI
    I wouldn't buy a $5k BMW under those conditions.

    I always lean towards caution on things like this, expect the worse (dealer decides not to repair issues after you purchase, PPI shop knows/works with that dealer etc..), and act accordingly.
     
  9. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Under what conditions would you buy a 5K BMW?

    None occur to me.
    ;)
     
  10. up4speed

    up4speed F1 Rookie
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    Feb 16, 2012
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    Only give a deposit if it is clearly written and signed by both parties that it is refundable if you are not satisfied with the car.
    Very very important, make sure that everything is fixed to your satisfaction BEFORE the check is handed over to the seller. Do not pay for the car before the stuff is fixed or else it may never get done. Don't ask me how I know. ;)
     
  11. GyllesSmyth

    GyllesSmyth Karting

    Apr 3, 2013
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    Kirkland, Washington
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    #161 GyllesSmyth, Nov 22, 2013
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    Something that occurs to me is that the car may be on consignment and the dealer has told the owner that test drives are only permitted once a deposit has been placed. I know of a few dealerships that make such agreements with owners who bring in their cars. If this is the case, the deposit should be refundable (or use your AmEx for the deposit and dispute the charge if you elect not to buy and the dealership doesn't cancel the charge promptly). That said, to get signed paperwork is a new one on me; don't sign anything you haven't fully read, understood, and stand ready to honor. If you don't or aren't, look elsewhere.
     
  12. jpk

    jpk Formula Junior

    Yeah, I have seen this sort of requirement at dealers that have exotics on consignment. They do it to prevent tire kickers joy riding or just trialing the make they are interested in. They only want a serious buyer that already knows they make/model and just needs to pick the car so they aren't getting a lot of wear and tear on a consigned vehicle.
     
  13. TriforHim

    TriforHim Karting

    Jun 7, 2013
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    Chad
    Run! To much pressure for such an important purchase.
     
  14. Ryan...

    Ryan... Karting

    Nov 9, 2012
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    WI
    These guys are pretty cheap and make great little weekend auto-x cars :)


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  15. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    If its as nice as it looks 5K would be a bargin.
    Enjoy.
     
  16. Ryan...

    Ryan... Karting

    Nov 9, 2012
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    With all my goodies (struts, springs, sway bars, wheels, slicks, intake, exhaust, chip, and bucket seats *not pictured*) I think I still had less than $4k into it total :)
     
  17. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Or as some here would put it. Less than a major service.
    ;)
     
  18. Ryan...

    Ryan... Karting

    Nov 9, 2012
    182
    WI
    A good way to look at things in terms of cost :D
     
  19. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Here's their new slogan

    "BMW, a simple pleasure".
    :)
     
  20. E60 M5

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  21. mixxalot@yahoo.com

    [email protected] Formula Junior

    Feb 9, 2006
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    Carmichael, CA
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    JD
    Good stuff as I am considering a 360 Spyder for a fun weekend car and they are a decent exotic car buy right now. Like aircraft, they are meant to be driven and enjoyed and not sitting!
     
  22. nicoffnz

    nicoffnz Rookie

    Dec 26, 2013
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    Thanks for the great write up. As a prospective 360 buyer it answered a lot of questions for me.
     
  23. whatheheck

    whatheheck F1 Rookie
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    Mar 27, 2006
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    I read the entire thread and it's very helpful for someone like me planning on owning a 360 spider in about a year or two.

    To Mr. Camdon53 and everyone that has contributed to this great thread - a sincere thank you for a great write up.

    I will continue to read and learn so that when I am ready and I find the right year, color and combo that suits my taste I will be very comfortable making my purchase as I've gained a lot of knowledge and information already from this great board.

    For now, I will continue to enjoy my E64 M6 and continue to dream on owning my 1st Ferrari in 2 years.

    Thanks again to the great members of this board.

    Dan
     
  24. Dr.B

    Dr.B Karting

    Sep 8, 2013
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    Philip
    #174 Dr.B, Dec 29, 2013
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    I just turned 21,000 on my 360 f1 and still have 70% left on the original clutch. It has never really been driven in bumper to bumper traffic and I do drive it hard a lot of the time. I don't understand why everybody seems to think Ferrari clutches are made of butter.
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  25. forshage

    forshage Rookie

    Mar 3, 2014
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    Carl Forshage
    Excellent write up. I plan on buying a 360 in the next 30 days and this helped
     

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