Wait, this is the guy that tried to dismiss the countless articles out there I found on Alonso saying "we" lose as a team by saying "you can't believe everything you read in the media." Now here he is quoting the media as gospel. Whichever fits your argument, right Petey?
All I can say is I'm glad you geniuses aren't running Ferrari because you probably would have canned Alonso by now just like they made the mistake doing with Prost, which would send the team back to the dark ages. Then you'd all be sitting around here going "durr where did we go wrong?" while Alonso wins titles with McLaren.
Rick, terrific post as usual, I was a bit stunned at Ferrari's management allowing the tire change and not being vocal about it, I cannot have seen this happening under Mr. Ferrari's rule. Also RB really did more development around the rear of the RB9 that went along way. But I will never forgot what Paul Hembry at Pirelli said about switching compounds mid season after Silverstone, he said if we do you can hand the races and the championships to RB if that is what you want us to do. I guess it fell on deaf ears to the Ferrari Management. I don't believe Todt would have put up with this, considering the fight he was willing to give the FIA over the Michelin expanding tires in 2003.
Exactly. Red Bull now plays the political game better than Ferrari. Another example of course would be the blown diffuser/engine map ban at the 2011 British Grand Prix. They are banned, Ferrari wins the race (RB had been dominant all season up to that point) and then Ferrari allows them to be legal again at a working group vote after the race? This would have never happened under the "old guard." RB then went on to dominate the rest of 2011.
Petey? I doubt that I shared your place under the bridge with you to make you my buddy... Maybe you do not understand it because it is a question of logic but finding some articles where he stated "we" does not mean that there are none stating "them". If these would not exist why should there be a muzzle? But I know, you do not care about all that because you are the one who knows best about your buddy Alonso who you are following on Twitter (by the way, are you a ten year old girl?). We know that by now, repeating your stuff does not make you taken more serious. You already told us that Alonso is the best sportsman, always honest, a great team-player, not to mention the best driver ever and furthermore a great qualifier. Stays the question why he lost 8 qualifyings against Massa this year? Taking into account that you know for sure that there was never a lack of motivation (although some insiders stated like that) this just leaves one explanation: Massa must be the second best driver in the grid!!! Are you really serious or might there be an error in your chain of reasoning??? By the way: for some reason you are not listed by your real name here, I wonder why ;-)
Bernie's take on FA and Ferrari. I agree he is losing a bit of his faith in the team when he see's Red Bull running away. Bernie: Is the problem Ferrari or Alonso? | Planet F1 | Formula One News
You nailed the entire argument. The RB machine backed by Bernie now, has taken the politics to a whole new level. Ferrari needs to get back on the horse pun intended and fight back. They wrote the book on working the FIA and with Todt at the helm you would think it would be a foregone conclusion for them. The current state of RB's dominance has a lot to do with the $ they spend within F1 (supporting two teams) and the Red Bull Ring. RB is more important to Bernie $ wise now than Ferrari and are a counter balance to LDM's rants. Nice position to be in if you are Bernie and RB, not great to be the Scuderia.
It was actually a typo, but your response is quite amusing. Even if he has said it both ways, who cares? You are arguing semantics and, along with your fellow anti-Alonso brigade, have been making a mountain out of a molehill about this. Let me clue you in on something: the F1 media is DYING for there to be a blowup between Alonso/Ferrari. If you want to buy in to their "spin" on the Ferrari/Alonso relationship, by all means, go for it. WTF? Tens of millions of people use Twitter. I follow Alonso, the official Ferrari twitter, Lewis Hamilton and many others including lots of American teams/athletes you wouldn't even know about. It's interesting to see some pics/comments from the drivers themselves. Gives a different perspective than media regurgitation and PR-friendly BS. If that makes me a "ten year old girl," so be it. The only time you turn up around here is to comment negatively on Alonso or support a thread that has an anti-Alonso slant. A simple look at your post history confirms this. I find it comical how a guy with 95 posts of biased drivel considers himself to be some sort of authority on here. Never said that. Never said that. Again, never said that. Anyone who has been on here for very long knows I am a huge Schumacher fan and think he is the best ever. Quit being such a clown.
Who cares? Apparently Ferrari, otherwise they would not have asked him to stop... OK, I am sorry about that "10 year old girl" comment, might have been a little bit to much. But I do not understand what is interresting on Twitter to follow people I do not know in person just to find out what the eat, when they sleep and what ugly self-made cell phone pictures they can upload...I thought twitter is much more for the fans of "Justin Bieber" but everyone to his own taste... First of all I do not think that I am an authority, especially not in this section. But I think that I have the same right to tell my oppinion as everyone else. But as usual those with thousands of posts think that their oppinion is more valuable just because they need to state her almost 3 times a day... Why I write my opinion in this and a few other threads? Because I think all the Alonso stuff got more and more ridiculous during the last years...I would be interested to hear how many of those praising Alonso over the top wrote exactly the opposite when he was driving against the Scuderia. I remember times when he and Briatore where permantently bad-mouthing against Schumacher and Ferrari, it would be interesting to see what people back then said during the McLaren year or later after "crash-gate"? Then he is signing a contract with Ferrari and all of the sudden it is all forgotten just as slipping over a red overall is some sort of general absolution. All of the sudden he is the greatest because he is driving for the Scuderia and for some reason some are keeping up this state even if this means shouting against Ferrari due to the lack of success. Furthermore people are not runnig short of excuses and blaming others for the missing success, in 2008 it was Glocks fault (although everybody saw that he was without chance on dry tires some said "the German driver was giving the German engine developer the title"), in 2010 it was Petrovs fault (because he was not driving aside to let Alonso pass), in 2013 it is the fault of the FIA because of the tire change (who was leading from the second race the WCC and WDC even before the change?). Furthermore it seems to be cool bad-mouthing against Vettel, you are always in the first raw for that. You state that everyone is booing because of his character, then he is voted best driver by the readers of a British magazine (although the British readers certainly do not favour German drivers) and for you that again does not mean anything because it is "just one magazine". For others this is more a sign that the boos are coming from frustration of the fans of inferior cars. Just to get me right: when one is asking what is the most "mythical" marque in Motorsport Ferrari is certainly at the top together with Bugatti, Alfa Romeo and Porsche. But I feel sorry when "fanboys" in red clothes destroy this reputation by being unsportsmanlike, especially as I am quit certain that most of them do not really have a clue about the history of Ferrari. It would be interesting how many of those know anything about a 500 F2, a Dino 246F1, the 156 Sharknose, 158 or the wonderfull 312, not to mention Ascari, Hawthorn, Phil Hill, Graf Berghe von Trips, John Surtees and Jacky Ickx although these are the ones who are a major part of the history. They tend to ignore that with the loss of the charismatic founder the marque became more and more a company that is run by managers like all of the other companies. But even without a clue they are all in common that Ferrari is myth and Red Bull just the producer of an energy drink. What they tend to forget is the fact the cars in general and motorsport in special are not that important for young people anymore. They are more interested in Snowboarding, Skateboarding and other "fun sports" where Red Bull is very active. Being also sponsor/owner of a F1 team might maybe attract a few young spectators, for that reason I think the value of Red Bull for modern F1 is much more than just the money they throw in. You are right, I should not make a clown out of myself further discussing with you...Some warned me and there seems to be more than one that has you on ignore for some reasons. So I promise that I will stop replying to you because it looks like you are afraid of loosing your status of being the only clown in this section.
Sure, why not? Both parties wanted more out of the last few season. Finishing second is not what Alonso signed up for. Finishing second is also not the job for which Ferrari hired Alonso. So, both parties aren't happy but as long as both parties keep their eye on the goal, there is no reason whatsoever to assume they seek fault in eachother. If they did, the contract would be terminated. Alonso is big enough on the driver market to not be forced to stay with Ferrari and Ferrari is, of course, big enough to get rid of a driver they are no longer in love with. They have done it before, with worldchampions even. Well, that is a bit simplistic isn't it? In my view Kimi is mentally extremely weak. He needs a car the exactly meets his demands to be able to do anything with it. Lotus enlarges their wheelbase with some centimeters and suddenly Kimi isn't showing so well against Grosjean. Alonso, on the other hand, is not only twice worldchampion, he is also worldchampion mind games. In 2015 Kimi will be back in the WRC or something.
Kimi will light a fire under Alonso's butt and vice versa.....Itll be good for both and the team.. And would you let an employee talk crap about your company all over the net? Of course you wouldnt.....
Alonso has shown a lack of motivation this year? I can think of a number of drivers who if saddled to the dog Fernando drove would have been calling it in.
I should have said a hotter fire perhaps......As someone who used to race, bikes though, it was always nice to have a teammate who could and would push you......Kimi is that guy....
David, The pygmee seems to think so, or at least suggests so... Bernie Ecclestone: Fernando Alonso gave up, wanted to leave Ferrari - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com Rgds
If Ferrari fired Alonso today that would mean 2 years pay for Alonso...probably looking at around 50-60 mil. Thats rich in todays market. Alonso hasn't left because there quite simply is no place to go. Red Bull didn't want him with Vettel. Mercedes didn't need him. Mclaren is a question mark. Lotus has no money. Force India and the rest aren't fast enough for a driver that wants more titles. What does a car that responses to his exact commands to do with his mental state? If anything Kimi has one of the stronger mind sets of anyone in F1. Almost everyone has said about the Alonso's mind games that they will not affect Kimi much. I've already shown you the statistics about ''Kimi not doing well in a LWB car'', so your comment is wrong. You say a couple of CM...10cm is a ****load in F1. Same as in porn. Kimi was quite happy with the SWB car, something he showed in his last race (well...qualifying session) by going over half a second quicker suddenly. Before that he was a few tenths off Grosjean. Call it 8 tenths difference. You will note that Alonso benefitted a lot in 2005 from Kimi's non fault retirements. Kimi lost 42 points through mechanical failures That he is no doubt. I say that Kimi will in fact stay and Alonso will **** off to Mclaren-Honda if Kimi beats him. If Alonso still is not WDC he will also still go to Mclaren-Honda.
Bernie Ecclestone: Fernando Alonso gave up, wanted to leave Ferrari - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com Bernie thinks FA was def looking to leave.
Consider the source. You can never take Bernie's comments at face value. Often he's working an agenda or having sport with the press. Even if there is a grain of truth to these comments I wouldn't blame Alonso for being extremely frustrated.
In 2011 and 2013 Vettel was the world champion with big diference. but in 2010 and 2012 he was need a lot off luck to won the championship, and remember that the red bull was the best car with big diffeence. really, Alonso no need to be a lucky man to win, because with the same car, Alonso is better than the rest. regards.
Sorry for posting the same further down. Bernie see's what he see's and makes a judgement. If FA does leave we will know when they want us to know.
