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  1. PAUL BABER

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    #1 PAUL BABER, Dec 12, 2013
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    Can anyone give a definitive answer as to when this light under the rear bumper was first fitted to a PF ? Was it an option originally and then became a standard fitting or was it always an option ? Its been mooted that it became standard with the Series 11 cars but I have had very original early cars that had it fitted and late cars that did not. Ferrari Classiche have picked up on this on a car with an early 1400 chassis number and have refused certification as its missing......As far as I'm aware this wouldn't show on the build sheet and am under the impression that they are purely basing their opinion on the last PF they certified.......
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  2. djaffrey

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    My dear friend Mr Baber...do you have copyright approval on that photo as I seem to recognise the car ;-)

    Hope all's well and I will pop in before Xmas arrives.

    Best

    Darren.
     
  3. PAUL BABER

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    #3 PAUL BABER, Dec 12, 2013
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    Well.........as I took the photograph I dont think its necessary.......lol
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  4. djaffrey

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    Bugger I thought it was taken by me in my drive. One nil to you ;-)

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  5. Telaio

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    Hi Paul, yes definitely original equipment, I'm sure I have some original boxed and mint examples in my stores, I'll check as soon as I get a moment, cheers as ever, Rosso Kev.
     
  6. PAUL BABER

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    A/..That wasn't my question and B/ Classiche wont accept Japanese replicas.....Thanks anyway
     
  7. ArtS

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    Paul,

    I cannot give you a difinative answer but I have questions:

    - Are the mounting holes drilled?
    - Is the reverse light switch in place?

    If so, I would suggest it's missing. If not, it was probably never there.

    I think I have an original Marchal 520 (I think that's the number) if you need but it will need restoration. I've seen NOS ones in boxes floating around, so it shouldn't be a big deal either way.

    Finally, one last question: As you are doing it, you feel Classiche is worth the cost and hassle from a business standpoint. What do you feel the benefit is?

    Regards,

    Art S.
     
  8. kare

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    #8 kare, Dec 12, 2013
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    You can't be serious. Ask them to show you a photo of a S.1 PF Coupé with a back-up light fitted and see what follows.

    I already feel for S.2 Cabrio owners as that's where things get complicated. An eventual switch does no indicate anything. Many cars up to mid-first series GTEs had a a switch and wiring even if no light had been installed.
     
  9. 635CSI

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    Conclusion, stuff Classiche?
    From my very limited experience they appear a silly way of spending money unless you are a dealer looking for a re-sale up lift.
    I would rather spend the money on rubber and metal.
     
  10. PAUL BABER

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    Thanks Art....I am unaware of any extra switches etc...If we cant find an original NOS I may well PM you......IF Classiche wont listen to logic.... I dont own this car so it was not my idea to apply for certification. However if I was to publish my views on Classiche I will upset far too many people......Nevertheless I have discovered an alternative.....

    Take a large metal container and fill it with approximately Euros 5K in cash........liberally soak the contents in petrol then ignite.........
     
  11. kare

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    After 5 years they'll require the incorrect light installation to be removed - at an extra cost.
     
  12. gtospoons

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    LOL :)
     
  13. John Vardanian

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    Hi Paul, I wonder if you are correct about your car's serial number. You said it's an early 1400 series car, but the last Series I car has a very high number in the 1400 range. In fact it is 1493GT. There is only one Series II car in the 1400 range, that is 1499GT.

    Though there may be exceptions, Series I cars should not have a reversing light.

    I would be willing to bet that most of those running Ferrari's Classiche today were yesteryears' janitors.

    john
     
  14. PAUL BABER

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    Thank you John. No mistake, this is definitely a Series 1 car. I am only being discreet about the actual chassis number as I dont own it but its defintely in the low 1400's. Prior to your post nobody I spoke to could give me a definite answer....lots of conjecture but everyone was uncertain. My own experience didn't help as I have had PF's of all ages fitted with this light. However on the early cars I suspect like the disc brake upgrade it was retro fitted by later owners. Many thanks Paul
     
  15. John Vardanian

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    Hi Paul, so, are you saying that Classiche is not certifying a Series I car for not having a reversing light?

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  16. PAUL BABER

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    YES......... Their UK agent on submitting the paperwork to those knowledgable chaps in the Classiche department was told that this light must be fitted prior to certification being given...... I totally accept that none of us know all the answers to these older cars but if anyone should, they should.......Time and again I hear these stories and I'm certain in the future Classiche certification will be meaningless.
     
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    A little earlier than you were looking for, but there is no evidence of a reverse light on 1159. This car has never been restored and almost nothing has been done on it since 1978.

    Cheers Jim
     
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    Classiche doesn't care if there is a reverse light on the car. You could put a modern light on it and it would not make any difference in the certification process. They only car about the major components:Chassis, body, engine, transmission, rear axle.

    I have seen cars that were certified with non-original ignition systems (distributors and ignition coils), non-original carburetors, etc.
     
  20. PAUL BABER

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    #20 PAUL BABER, Dec 13, 2013
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    Thank you all.......maybe certain members of FC should be employed by the Classiche department !

    I'm really on a learning curve with these PF's. I have sold many in my career but have taken so much for granted.........I have another question that has no relation to the present Classiche dispute.........What is the story regarding the Opera lights on the panel behind the doors. I have noticed this on only the early cars but again is there a definitive cut off point ?
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  21. kare

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    Opera light was replaced with a side repeater on front fender for the 2nd series.
     
  22. PAUL BABER

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    Sadly in the case of this car what you say is not true.......I generally agree with your comments but the problem is that there is no consistancy.....I was told that my own GTE would never be certified as the majority of the exhaust is fabricated from stainless steel but should I paint said tubing in Black then the photographs submitted would look authentic....Thats when I woke up and realised Classiche was a complete farce.........Another GTE owner I know was initially refused certification as the tyres he had fitted were of a slightly broader width than original.......As someone stated earlier Classiche is nothing better than a dealer selling tool........so true.
     
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    Thank you...
     
  24. Wheels1

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    Strange, I was told a Daytona was certified with a SS exhaust, probably not the manifolds though. This was not painted black and is clear to see in the current photos!
     
  25. lancia

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    If I am not mistaken, the reverse light (Marchal) is set into a shroud which blends into with the rear valence of the coachwork on the second series of Pf Coupe? No such detail on the first series, as there is no reverse light, as noted by others. In which case the body would show the evidence. I stand corrected if wrong on this detail.
     

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