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  1. DCX

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    #1 DCX, Dec 18, 2013
    An unnamed Lamborghini dealership has a car I'm interested in that I flew out to take a look at as a first step to see if I was interested in purchasing. After the initial look over found nearly 2 dozen small rock chips, scuffs, scrapes underneath etc. Nothing major, but odd for a car with only several thousand miles. Looked over all service records and noted a new clutch after a couple thousand miles and about half as many many miles by the same owner in the same driving conditions since then, meaning it may have less than a couple thousand miles left of life as they noted the first clutch was not due to a defective part.
    I liked the car, and just as I've done in the past with my 3 other exotics I wished to have it sent to another Lamborghini dealer for an independent PPI. Not only is this stand and something I've done several time before, but something they even have posted as a policy of there's. The dealer immediately baulked at this saying it was too far away. I found two other local reputable shops near by, in which he again refused and proceeded to call them hacks and rip into them as not being "Lamborghini certified" and wouldn't let a PPI be done.
    He then went full bore trying to get me to purchase it right there. I refused without a PPI. I offered a 15kdeposit and contract to buy pending a clean PPI. He again refused saying I could back out at any point and to take his word that the car was clean. Ironic that he wanted total faith from me, but extended zero to me. As i refused he then proceeded to rip into me saying he's never heard of someone wants all this and not being ready to wire the money on the spot and how i was waisting his time. When he realised this want my first Lambo, and was lower priced than two of my other cars and I've done the exact same thing in the past from a pick up truck to a half million dollar car all with zero issues at all he got off that song real fast, but still refused any PPI unless they came there. Called around and so far nobody wants to come to his place and deal with him, I understand.

    I should be offended and pissed, but I dont care about him or his attempts to "sell" me the car. Nobody has ever "sold" me a car, I've always knew exactly what I wanted walking in, the car either sells itself or it doesn't. The salesman is basically a babysitter for the day.

    What I want to know is am I wrong or out of line in any way? Or is he clearly hiding something or being unreasonable?
    From what I understand this is all normal to check these things out and I have numerous times in the past with no hesitation from sellers at all. I even explained to him in the past when i bought a Lambo sight unseen from his former sister dealership it had numerous obvious flaws they failed to disclose then wouldn't return my calls. Repairs topped $13k. Some of the things were air bag light, check engine light, ac didn't work, window didn't work, etc. Obvious stuff they knew about, not to mention all the leaks and hoses, gaskets, seals, etc that needed replacing. So the manager was more than aware of why I was so insistent on a PPI.
    I'm still trying to get a tech out there, but am seriously just considering walking away as this place seems very shady and totally unreasonable.

    Maybe Im wrong, your thoughts?
     
  2. Serie1926

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    #2 Serie1926, Dec 18, 2013
    Run Forest run!
     
  3. Shark01

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    #3 Shark01, Dec 18, 2013
    For the most part, I'm "No PPI, no sale". The only exception I can think of is my local Lamborghini dealer, which I trust and respect, and I feel I would have more recourse to solve issues. Sounds like the car may not be in good condition anyway.

    I'm curious though.....why would you fly out to see a car first, then try to run it through an inspection? It always seemed to make more sense for me to get a clean inspection, get an agreement on price, put down a refundable deposit, THEN fly out to close the deal.

    Sounds like this may be a good dealer to name publically so we can have some background if we find something in the future.

    Run, Forrest, run....
     
  4. blown daytona

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    #4 blown daytona, Dec 18, 2013
    Run!!! I would never buy a car without an inspection, especially one of that cost.
     
  5. DCX

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    #5 DCX, Dec 18, 2013
    I had never seen this color in person or drove a "version" of this car and wanted to make sure I did actually like and want it before setting up an unnessicary PPI, dealing with refunding the deposit, and price is always dependant on what i see and what the PPI says.

    In the past two of my exotics had the PPI done and deposit before I even saw it, and with other cars and trucks IVe looked first then set up a PPI.
    BTW one guy could have done it that day or next if the dealer would have left him, so time was not an issue here.
    Never had a dealer refuse a deposit either when I offered.

    Looks like a PPI at this point would just be a waste of time and money and confirm the apparent bad news on the car I think I already know.


    Ill see where this thread goes. Im not trying to tarnish a dealer, but if it seems it could help others from making a mistake Ill post it. Mind you my salesman was great, its the manager that was the total arse.
     
  6. No_GTS_yet

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    #6 No_GTS_yet, Dec 18, 2013
    If you think the car has a history that doesn't make you happy and the dealer does not offer anything to resolve the situation, vote with your pocket ... and RUN AWAY.

    Don't run into the believe that ONLY THIS CAR is a ONCE IN A LIFETIME OPPORTUNITY ...
     
  7. WILLIAM H

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    #7 WILLIAM H, Dec 18, 2013
    Absolutely run

    You know how expensive Lambo parts are ?
     
  8. Smiles

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    #8 Smiles, Dec 18, 2013
    I'd agree with this completely!

    I'd walk.

    Matt
     
  9. Peter K.

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    #9 Peter K., Dec 18, 2013
    Dealer should take advantage of your PPI. If you do not buy, they have a copy. They can verify that the PPI was done independently.

    Stupid way to do business.

    I would post the dealership, this is what a community is for.....to have each others back.
     
  10. jollygood

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    #10 jollygood, Dec 18, 2013
    Are we talking about an official Lamborghini dealer here?
     
  11. ken qv

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    #11 ken qv, Dec 18, 2013
    Forget it.. Too many good cars out there and eventually some more will be for sale if you don't know of another right now. Was there a certain model you prefer?
     
  12. roytoy2003

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    #12 roytoy2003, Dec 18, 2013
    TOTAL BS! ANY Dealer should welcome a PPI from another "set of eyes".

    I allow a car to go ANYWHERE they want a PPI performed, as long as they pay for the PPI, as well as transport to and back. I have had cars sent as far away from me to George Eveans for a PPI.

    It is a great bonus for me to allow the PPI...

    It does 2 great things

    1) Confirms what we said about the car, so the trust is there.

    2) IF there is an item we missed, it can be corrected immediately so to save a major issue down the road.


    NO PPI....NO DEAL

    I do think for the community the Dealer should be named thats IMO. WOrk hard and get good cudos on the board, do bad things and it should be shead to light as well.
     
  13. BULL RUN

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    #13 BULL RUN, Dec 18, 2013
    If it is an official Lamborghini Dealer I wouldn't let you take it someplace either. What's the point in having dealerships?
     
  14. DCX

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    #14 DCX, Dec 18, 2013
    It seems you missed my post how their former sister lamborghini dealership missed 13k in very obvious repairs then ducted my calls. Dont tell me they sold a car no knowing the air bag light was on, check engine, no ac (in las vegas!) Windows didnt work, etc:

    I also offered to b7y it if they gave me a 30 day warranty or would give me one week from receiving it to have it inspected by my tech and decide to keep or return it if it failed. They didnt want that at all.
    So they want me to trust them, but wont back their own word. Or wont let me check it out.

    I smell a rat...
     
  15. Countachqv

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    #15 Countachqv, Dec 18, 2013
    May be no rat but as matter of principle: no PPI = no deal. A mistake can easily cost 6 digits figure as you know.

    If he is concerned about someone no qualified to hack the car, he may get a deposit in escrow from you and a contract about what will be done to the car as part of PPI. I have seen some of these indeed go bad and someone having to pay money to fix the car from the PPI..

    However, a complete refusal is symtomatic of some sellers pushing to tell buyers that "all other buyers all bring cash now in a paper bag what is wrong with you all your demands".

    It is also possible that there are more buyers buying anything with wheels at a premium. Case in point the flooded CT at $64k. That is a specimen only good for parts. Here is a car that did not need no PPI!.
     
  16. BULL RUN

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    #16 BULL RUN, Dec 18, 2013
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    Well then you answered your own question. I would just say, if you can't trust the dealership, your options are pretty darned limited. In addition, PPI's only give you a glimpse of what could go wrong. You can still spend a ton on things that can't been seen. The responsibility is on the buyer to do his own inspection. If not qualified, then a person should probably stay away from the car anyway. I didn't' see the model your looking at either, that makes a difference in the whole scheme of things.
     
  17. SAFE4NOW

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    #17 SAFE4NOW, Dec 18, 2013
    I may have missed it, but did you offer to pay to have it transported to the other shop for the PPI to be performed?

    IE: Dealer may be concerned about having the car driven xxx miles there and back and the liability associated with that.

    So, My suggestion if you have not already, offer to have it transported in an enclosed trailer at your expense both ways.

    You should be fine!

    GL with the purchase

    S

    p.s. No PPI - No Purchase.
     
  18. triple-x

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    #18 triple-x, Dec 18, 2013
    I'm sure there are other cars like the one you're looking at.

    No PPI = No Purchase plain and simple.
     
  19. Peter K.

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    #19 Peter K., Dec 18, 2013
    ...or, no PPI, take 20% off price.

    With that said, remember, they are all worth saving. So, whatever is wrong, it is worth saving. Since it's a car you've waiting for and no allowed PPI, now think appropriate price.

    Interestingly, you don't buy, someone will.
     
  20. gday

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    #20 gday, Dec 18, 2013
    I can understand why they don't want the car out of their shop. I think Roy is very generous allowing that. But having it on a lift for your guy to check out seems pretty straight forward. I will never do anything less again.

    -mick
     
  21. Peter K.

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    #21 Peter K., Dec 18, 2013
    .....also, it'll be cheaper to send your PPI guy to there shop in some cases. Shipping back and forth gets pretty damn expensive.
     

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